Hey Nano, Hope you don’t mind if I steal your stolen quote for my sig in an unrelated forum - it fits right in with my Jiu-Jitsu, and will go nicely after my other quote for that: “The Human Body is a submission just waiting to happen.” 
Wow, this thread is really meandering, ain’t it? 
Loren
Go right ahead. It’s public domain, actually.
Yeah, I know it is, just being polite and all
Loren