So the version on the Planxty Collection CD… the one where he sings the middle tune of a set of three:
The Hare In The Corn
The Frost Is All Over
The Gander In The Pratie Hole
annneeyyway:
its not the version which is on the session dot org (unless i am suffering from acute sight reading failure) - the session says that the tune form this CD is under ‘Kitty Lie Over’ but theres no tune matching that in the database…
can anyone link me to the right tune - its stuck in my head, but its stuck in my head with the wrong B section and i need to see the dots before i learn it wrong…
Hmmm … are you sure, Chris? The one that’s in my head when I think back to listening to Planxty is closer to this, posted by ceolachan in the comments to the third one posted by MTGuru above:
K: D Major
|: A |
def edB | AFD E2 D | DFA AFA | Bee edc |
dd/e/f edB | AFD E2 F | D2 A AFA | Bdc d2
|: e |
fef afd | gfg bag | f2 f agf | g2 g e2 g |
1 f3 afd | g3 bag | ff/g/a efg | fdc d2
2 f/g/af gfe | fdB AFA | Bcd efg | fg/a/f e2 ||
I play it slightly differently, but that’s the gist. (E.G. my second part doesn’t have a first and second time bar, being the same each time through.) I’ve sometimes thought with this tune, as with quite a few of the ‘classic’ Irish tunes, that there’s a whole family of tunes that are related but more or less different. I think of the tune represented by the first two links from MTGuru’s post above as being a different tune, which I call “Kitty Lie Over”, and the one I’m referring to as being “The Frost is All Over”. I’ve even been known to play them both in the same set of tunes.
Ben’s is the jig I know as “The Frost is All Over.” The lyrics I heard to that tune on a de Danaan recording (I believe it was from their “Selected Jigs, Reels & Songs” tour) go:
The praties are dug and the frost is all over
Kitty lie over close to the wall
How would you like to be married to a solider
Kitty lie over close to the wall
So from those lyrics, it could be called either name!
The tune MT cited last is what I know as “What’ll You Do When The Kettle Boils Over” that also goes by the name (rough and ready ABCs are mine; apologies for any errors) Kitty Lie Over.
T: What’ll You Do When The Kettle Boils Over (Kitty Lie Over)
M:6/8
K:Dmaj
|:AFD DFA| Bdd B2 A |ABA FEF |GFG EFG|
AFD DFA |Bdd B2 A| ABA ~F3 |EDD D3:|
|:fdd ede |fdd d2e| fef def| gfg efg|
fed B2A| AdF ~G3| ABA F2E| EDD D3:|
Anyway, both these tunes are commonly referred to as “The Kilfenora Jigs” after a set (or maybe two!) played by the Kilfenora Ceili Band. (And then there are the OTHER Kilfenora/Kilmovee jigs, but don’t get me started on those).
The A parts and B parts of these jigs seem to get swapped around like crazy, along with a very close third we call The Munster Buttermilk (but NOT the “Behind The Haystack” MB or the other one) but I’m not sure that’s the right name (more R&R ABCs) …
Well Ben, the Planxty B part (which I’m listening to right now) is definitely Norbeck’s, not the one you posted. However, Planxty do play (and sing) your A part as one of their reps, but the Norbeck A for the rest. Confusing enough?
Yes, it seems to be one of those jumbles of several parts, tunes, and titles all hanging loosely together in different combinations. If I had to separate out “Kitty” and “Frost”, I think I’d do it the same way that you and Cathy describe.
All three are lovely tunes. Our small session has adopted Mick & Caoimhín’s set of Kitty Lie Over (Kilfenora) / Munster Buttermilk, such a lovely set. I also love to hear the Séamus Ennis and Planxty versions. Planxty is playing The Hare in the Corn followed by Kitty Lie Over (Kilfenora) and Frost is All Over arranged together and followed by Gander in the Pratie Hole. Of course, Ennis’ version is just the one tune (Kilfenora).
– indeed. But that’s why I decided I’d better learn the lot, though I’ll admit it’s always exciting to wonder whether we’ll assemble a “Frankentune” by the time we get done – and I really don’t know which one I’m playing while I’m playing it, I just know what comes next. But IMO, they’re all such great tunes they’re well worth the effort, and even the occasional trainwreck. And if you’re ever in a session that’s sagging or flattening out any one of them is like musical botox – great for restoring lift. Have fun!
actually i think i have this one confused with the humors of glendart … its so much of a mess of different lyrics / names / variations that trying to learn it is probably a bit of a lost cause.
I picked up Jimmy Ward’s, Humors of Glendart and The Little Fair Canavan’s all in the same half hour from another whistler. It was a bit tough keeping them apart at first but how nice is it to come away with not one, but three working tunes? My reaction to the confusion was to put them in a set together and work at it until it wasn’t confusing anymore. Not long before they were sorted out. Nothing wrong with that at all
Yeah, I get what you mean, Cathie, and I’d never noticed that before.
Just as a footnote, I am assuming that you mean by “Give Us a Drink” the tune that is actually called “The Swaggering Jig”. The tune that is sometimes called “The Swaggering Jig” is actually “Give Us a Drink of Water” and is quite different. Apparently, sleevenotes to one of the Bothy Band’s albums got the two tune names the wrong way round, after which there has been some confusion …
Whoops, I stand – erm, slink – corrected. I got the tune from Paddy Keenan as “Give Us A Drink.” I guess the mental tune bank is officially full, as I’ve known the other “Give Us A Drink of Water” for years and never even blinked at the conflict. Sorry about that! Thanks, guys!
So instead … Little Fair Cannavans and Swaggering Jig, avast!
Debbie looks so serious in that video! Hard to believe it’s her. Thanks for the link.
thanks everyone for the help in uncovering this nest of conspiracey. Im still learning the planxty version, though i imigine it will be one of those tunes which i just never add to a book due to ambiguity as to which of its 10 names / veriations to add it under!
I can also sing most of it now, the sung version is fidderent from the piped version which interleaves it, enough to be two seperate melodys and thus warrent two seperate names.
But it was fun to ponder. 
– indeed. But that’s why I decided I’d better learn the lot, though I’ll admit it’s always exciting to wonder whether we’ll assemble a “Frankentune” by the time we get done – and I really don’t know which one I’m playing while I’m playing it, I just know what comes next. But IMO, they’re all such great tunes they’re well worth the effort, and even the occasional trainwreck. And if you’re ever in a session that’s sagging or flattening out any one of them is like musical botox – great for restoring lift. Have fun!
