Does anybody have any sound samples of a baroque flute they could post? I know some people on here play them. I am thinking about getting one, but I am not 100% sure how they sound. I have listened to plenty of baroque music, but I don’t know whether it was actually played on modern flute or an authentic one.
Thanks 
there are a few sound samples worth listening to on Jed Wentz’s site:
http://jedwentz.com/Articles/Topics/Musicalexamples.html
regards,
geoffrey
As a comment, just as much as there could be those who prefer ITM to be played on a “traditional” instrument, such as a simple system, six holed flute, there are also those who prefer that Baroque music be played on authentic, period type instruments, including those who prefer to play in a more authentic pitch, such as A=415, among other such period pitches, which also helps to keep the Boehm riff raff away. 
The Boehm system flute is not native to either of these traditions, but no doubt there are a number of Boehm players who feel free to “poach” from these musics. Well, I do. 
Moreover, because the modern Irish flute is so closely related to its six-holed-plus-one-key Baroque predecessor, it’s quite fair, IMO, to play Baroque music on an ITM flute, just look for key signatures of D, and G, which are fairly common to Baroque music. The result may not be exactly the same, but perhaps close enough for sampling purposes.
Thanks for the link, I really enjoyed the playing
I do plan on doing some baroque playing on my tipple until I can afford to buy a traverso, but sadly with my current playing ability I can’t play much of anything 
This summer I hope to get in a lot more practice time, then me and my dad can jam. He plays recorder (a very nice one actually, not a plastic elementary school one) and violin. He doesn’t play much, and I am hoping to get him playing more. I think I gave him the ITM bug though, he told me the other day he bought a book of sessions tunes and is learning the on his violin.
Just a suggestion for hearing sample good playing on traverso for free - go to Amazon, search out recordings by top period instrument players (e.g. Barthold Kuijken, Stephen Preston, Lisa Beznosiuk, many others…) and find recordings of theirs that have sound samples attached.
I 'll warrant that once you hear Bach, Telemann etc. played well on period instruments, you won’t want to listen to it on Boehm/modern instruments generally, however-so-well it may be played thereon. Cork is quite right that there’s nowt wrong with playing it on whatever instrument(s) you happen to have/play, so long as you respect the stylistic nuances appropriate to the period/source, but it really does work better with the right sonorities and balances between instruments as well as with appropriate interpretation.
Good news re: your dad! Well done.
Nice thread this…
Mr Cork,could you suggest a couple of Baroque tunes that could be played on an unkeyed Irish Flute ??? …and where to get the dots ???
Cheers …
If you search for my moniker, chas , on the posting clips sticky, you’ll find some clips of my playing traversi. Not by any means what’s possible on the instruments, but what a mediocre player is capable of.
Jem, thanks for the names, I didn’t really know any performers of this kind of music. I have only begun to listen to and enjoy it.
I quite agree. I have enjoyed these recordings much more than some of the performances I have gone to see around campus. The flute players play very well, but they insist on constant hideous vibrato.
If they just played without it the music would sound much better IMO.
As a piece of plumbing grade plastic, the Tipple bears little resemblance to a nice piece of traverso furniture, but the Tipple indeed is a very capable flute.
Good choice!
I have a recommendation for you, including dots, but I need a few minutes to go through my book shelf. Hang on, weedie, and I’ll be back here soon.
@ weedie
Forty Little Pieces (in progressive order for beginner flutists)
Transcribed and adapted by Louis Moyse (son of Marcel Moyse, one of the legends of the French School of flute playing)
Published by G. Schirmer
ISBN 0793525527
This is a popular beginner’s book, but a progressive one, which begins with some easy stuff, and then gets considerably busier. No doubt some of the tunes would already be familiar to you, by Bach, Handel, Haydn, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, and Schumann, including several pieces by each. More than a third of the 40 pieces are in G, numerous others in C, several in F, and, unfortunately, only one in D. However, this really is a fine collection of tunes (it earns a best bang for the money award, IMO), and worth transposing where required. If you look around, it seems there also is a companion CD available, including all of the tunes, but that’s a separate item.
BTW, please don’t underestimate the easy pieces, for they are included for substantive reasons, easy, but powerful in terms of lesson value. I’ll go one more, in that by the time you have worked your way through the first several pieces or so, you should be in fine tune, for these easy pieces are “designed” such that if you are out of tune, you will hear so, and know so, right away, immediately. In tune, however, these are some sweet pieces, and, in addition, by the time you near the end of the book, your fingers will be moving, fast.
This book includes at least a few Baroque pieces, but most of the tunes are from a somewhat later time.
I’ll get back to my book shelf, and fish out some Baroque materials. My only concern is that what I do have might not currently be in print, so I’ll also look around for current suppliers. Stay tuned.
Thanks a lot Cork…
I’ll get in contact with the Library here and see if they can access the book…sounds to be a good one…I’ll then look for a copy to purchase..
Well done mate… 
Sounds like a good book, I will have to look into getting it
Yer welcome, weedie.
Stay tuned, as I likely will have more for you, in the near future.
Forty Little Pieces, however, is a great introduction, recommended!
@ Boody
Yes, as an introduction, Forty Little Pieces is hard to beat, and it leaves a player ready to tackle more difficult studies, and music.
Shhh, however, there’s not a single ITM piece in it, although working through this book cannot but help to improve one’s ITM skills, too, if indirectly.
And, I’ll be back, soon, with more. Stay tuned.
I just did a search on “Forty Little Pieces” and it’s readily available here in Oz for about $22.00…second hand for as little as $10…
A new book for weedies bookshelf…comin’ right up !!
@Boody, and weedie
Here are some online Baroque music listening sources.
This one’s for free, and it offers some fifty “classical” stations: http://www.iheard.com/genres/classical/baroque
This one’s for free, and it allows you to pick your tunes by author or title, but it requires you to turn off your pop up blocker: http://www.pandora.com
CAUTION:
Forty Little Pieces comes as a two piece publication, as the book which is used by your piano accompanist AND as the ever important INSERT section which is the section for flute. Unfortunately, the insert section could have dropped out or could be missing! Make sure a used copy includes the insert section.
BTW, this is typical of flute music publications in general, not in every case, certainly, but common enough.
OK, Boody (et al), here are some suggestions for you. I’ve just had a go at all of these on one of the (horribly out of tune in the 2nd 8ve) conduit tube flutes I made about 10 years ago (pre knowing of Doug Tipple!). They’re all do-able with a bit of application: you’ll need some of the cross-fingered accidentals (see below), one or two half-holed F naturals/E#s and there are a few D#s that will have to be half-holed unless you fancy drilling a hole for R4 (you could aways tape it up when playing stuff that doesn’t call for it!). If these don’t drive you into getting a proper Baroque flute or a keyed simple system…
Georg Philipp Telemann: Twelve Fantasias for Transverse Flute without Bass No.3 in B minor - Allegro; No.7 in D major - Presto; No. 11 in G major - the whole fantasia.
Georg Friedrich Handel: Sonata for Transverse Flute Op.1 No.5 (sometimes printed as Flute Sonata No.2) - most of this sonata is accessible enough.
Johann Sebastian Bach: Sonata in E minor for Flute and Continuo BWV 1034 - Andante; Suite (Ouverture) in B minor for Flute and String Orchestra BWV 1067 - Sarabande, Bourrees I & II, Menuet.
N.B. just the specific movements listed - the other sections of these works are not very accessible even with practice unless you have a baroque flute or a keyed one. The ones listed do go beyond the diatonic D and G scales, but the accidentals are just that - occasional occurrences, not constantly necessary, thus IMO manageable, if a little challenging to begin with.
I’d lay odds you can get dots for the solo parts for most of these (all very mainstream repertory) from somewhere around your campus, either music dept. library or flute students, or look them out 2nd hand on eBay or from 2nd hand bookstores (just possible some of them may be available free online, but I haven’t explored that possibility) - or if you are feeling rich, you should get them easily enough new - I’d view them as a worthwhile life-time investment! Don’t be scared by their apparent status - sure, to play them really well you have to be serious about it, but you can get loads of enjoyment while having a go at them, stretching (but not overly) yourself and learning loads while you’re at it.
Accidental/chromatic cross fingerings you will need (I think these should work tolerably even on a Tipple):
D#/Eb (both 8ves) no choice but to half-hole on a keyless flute (unless you drill the extra hole!) - XXX XXD
Fnat (both 8ves) again, only half-holed will work on a wide-bore flute - XXX XDO
G#/Ab 1st 8ve XXO XXX, 2nd 8ve XXO XOX
A#/Bb 1st 8ve XOX XXO, 2nd 8ve XOX XOO or maybe XOX XXO
Cnat 1st 8ve OXX XOX (or for passing combinations, especially with E, you may get away with OXO XXO), 2nd 8ve OXOXXX or OXO XXO or OXO OOO - try 'em out.
top C# - see which is better, OOO OOO or OXX XOO
Top D - see which is better, OXX OOO or OXX XXX
I don’t think any of these pieces above requires a top E, but if you do find yourself needing one, it’ll probably finger either XXO OXX or XXO XXO.
Here too is a short highly recommended (i.e. essential listening) discography:
Stephen Preston:
Flute Collection - Amon Ra CDSAR19
Music for Two Flutes - Amon Ra CDSAR11
Bach: Sonatas and Partita (solo) - CRD CRD33145 (sample tracks on Amazon)
Suite in B minor BWV 1067 in Bach, J.S.: Orchestral Suites (Overtures) (BWV 1066 - 1069 - The English Concert/Trevor Pinnock DG Archiv 477 6348 (available as an MP3 download from DG!)
C. P. E Bach Flute Concertos Wq 166 &167
The English Concert Trevor Pinnock DG Archiv 477 7438 (available as an MP3 download from DG!)
Konrad Hunteler with The Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra cond. Ton Koopman:
C. P. E Bach Flute Concertos Wq 22 & 166-169 Erato ECD75536
Barthold Kuijken:
Telemann: Twelve Fantasias - Accent ACC7803
Solo pour la Flûte Traversière (includes J.S. & C.P.E Bach solo sonatas) - Accent ACC20144
It is quite possible some of the others have online samples or download purchase options, but I haven’t researched them that far. Get that little lot and you have a core guide to the Baroque flute and its repertory, not to mention some stunningly beautiful music and superb, exemplary playing! (OK, OK, I know I’ve ignored the French and Italian repertory! Got to stop somewhere!) These recordings should be compulsory listening for ALL flute players, ITM and mainstream Boehm classical!!!
Well done Jem …There’s a lot of people on this site that are very giving of their time and knowledge…you’re one of them..
Thank you…