Wish me luck

:smiley:

Yes, good luck with that. You are now on the slippery slope.

Do post status reports as you go. It’s educational to see what the issues along the way are as well as the result. It also spurs you on.

I wish you patience and skill. You want to keep luck out of it, unless you are only going to make one. Betcha can’t make just one!

Feadoggie

Thanks guys!

I doubt I’ll make just one. I can’t just let 2 meters of pvc pipe go to waste, can I? :slight_smile:

Try blowing down them trumpet-style and explore the harmonic series! :smiley: It knackers your lips for fluting but is much the safest thing to do with them. You’ve had it now!

Enjoy, and have fun.



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Naturally, I ran into problems almost immediately. The bore of the pipe is 10.5mm and the diameter of that wooden stick is ~15mm (it was the closest match I could find). I was perfectly aware that I would need to sand it down quite a bit to make it fit. What I didn’t realize was how darn hard that wood is, whatever it is. Sanding off several millimeters will take forever and it has a tendency of chipping very easily when sawing it.

Looks like I’m going to have to find some material that’s easier to work with.

West,

Buy a thinner dowel - it’s cheap.

Otherwise, see if it will fit in your drill and apply coarse sandpaper as it rotates. Be careful. Whistle making injuries are legendary!

10.5mm is awfully thin - good for a F or G whistle. For reference - a Feadog or Gen is around 12.3mm for a D whistle - this is considered a narrow bore.

Hope this helps - and here’s hoping the global hardware industry decides to start producing 12.3mm ID tubing as a cosmic standard!

Yup, I’m gonna go have a look as soon as the hardware store opens.

I’m sorry, I misread the caliper. The bore is 13mm, nothing else. I shouldn’t be doing this while having a nasty cold…

Here are a couple of alternate methods you could look into if you get worn out sanding dowels. You can make a plug to fit any diameter material from either poly-clay or polyester resin. Both are available at craft and hobby shops. You just use a piece of your pipe as a mold. You do have to bake the poly-clay to cure it. The resin hardens using a catalyst. Use a release agent so you can pop the plugs out of the molds. Either material can be a colorful option.

Feadoggie

By way of encouragement/warning… look where this jag can lead! :smiley: :sunglasses: :frowning:

Fixed and tunable piccolos

Tunable piccolo and G flute

Dangerous!

FWIW, the black conduit I use for the piccolos and which would be ideal for soprano whistles is 16mm OD with wall 1.7mm nominal, so ID c 12.5mm - the stuff isn’t absolutely consistently extruded, though. Stopper plugs in flutes are a bit easier than fipples in whistles as they only have to seal the tube and don’t form part of a beak surface, so I can use cork cut to fit or 12mm dowel wrapped in PTFE tape if necessary, though at the moment I’m lucky enough to have some polymer rod that has been turned for me to fit the tube and so is ideal for whistle fipples as well as flute stoppers. It is just so much easier to cut a flute embouchure than to construct a whistle windway and labium that works well - even if one is also making a Tipple-Fajardo wedge to cure the tuning issues. I’m actually half way through making a whistle head in the next size up tube - 20mm OD, c16.5 ID, like the G flute pictured above is made from

Great tip Feadoggie, thanks. Now if I only knew what that stuff is called in Swedish… but I think there’s a fairly well stocked hobby shop down town, I’ll have a look around there.

Wow! Some really nice-looking piccolos you got there. They are painted though, right?

Cork… hmmm. Would that be too soft for a fipple block?

No, the piccolos are not painted - they’re just black PVCu electrical conduit tube rubbed down with wire wool to produce that silky sheen ā€œbrushedā€ matte finish after all the other work is complete. Doesn’t work so well on the white stuff- one reason I prefer the black.

Cork isn’t too good for fipple blocks - it’s hard to get a suitably smooth surface on the part that will be the floor of the windway and of course it can get soggy on the exposed surface at the beak, though I suppose you could seal exposed surfaces with a varnish. I did try it many years ago when I tried to make some bamboo whistles. Not good.

The stuff to look for if you’re going to cast some rod for fipples as suggested is Milliput - commonly used by military modellers etc. and available on eBay if not at your modelling shop, but I’d lay odds it will be. It is an epoxy putty with many possible uses. I have made a couple of whistle heads using it for the fipple block and it works quite well. The difficulty with it is getting it out of the casting mold section of tube - it will tend to stick itself on/in! You can use talcum powder to reduce that adhesion, but in the smooth walled tube it’s hard to get an even coating which stays put as you press the putty in and try to make sure there are no air pockets and that it is snug to the walls all around. Don’t try to cast long sections! You may have to cut the tube to get the set putty out.

You could perhaps cast it directly into the tube you are making into a whistle head once you have cut a beak shape (for economy with the putty) but not removed the piece for the windway and window (need to do things in a different order) - you’d need to be making a separate tunable head really as you’ll need decent access to use a dowel to pack the down-tube face of the putty neatly - it’ll be hard to work on it afterwards! You’d have to have a mark on the dowel to show you were packing the face at the right place…rather complicated really - and takes away the possibility of adjusting the assembly of the various elements of the head to optimise tone production before finally gluing them up, so maybe not a good way to go…

BEAUTIFUL!!! :smiley:

If it helps, two popular poly-clay brands go by the names Fimo and Sculpey. These are widely used in arts and crafts for all kinds of things from jewelry making to small sculptures. Once hardened this stuff is basically solid PVC. It is easily shaped and polished and it comes in lots of outrageous colors.

The polyester resins could be found in modeling shops as well as hardware shops.

The Milliput sounds interesting, Jem. Your flutes look great. Does anyone here know if PVCu conduit is available in the USA? I have Dixon and Calmont instruments that look like they are made from that same material. The latest Gonzato whistles are also a nice material.

As for getting the castings out of molds, I use a synthetic car wax or a light oil to coat the inside of the molds. I prefer the wax. It doesn’t take much to do the job. The finished plugs pop right out. Of course, commercial release agents are available as well.

Feadoggie

PĆ„ svenska - Polymerlera (bla Cernit, Fimo, Sculpey, Premo …)

Finns i de flesta hobbybutiker.

Lycka till!

/MarcusR

Hhhm. I’m not quite sure wether this would be a good idea. PVC modelling clays such as FIMO contain a great number of plasticizers. Allthough the highly unhealthy phtalate has been forbidden in Europe (Standard EN 71 part 5), I’m not sure about other countries… Plus, I’ve no idea wether the plasticizers now being used are dangerous, too.

For more information see:
hidden health hazards of polymer clays

Thanks, Guido!

Here are some more pictures of (mostly) my more recent efforts.

The School Piccolos are very simple - plain drilled embouchure hole, no filing out to ellipse or undercutting, but they do have a lip-plate and a tuning correction wedge inside the head, the edges of which can be seen in these pics, one rolled ā€œinā€ and the other ā€œoutā€.




Next is a shot of one of the newly made School Piccolos together with a high D whistle I made earlier this year with a Milliput fipple plug, and also an offcut of unworked tube.




Then there are some pics to try to show the difference between the tube as bought and the finish I get on it with wire wool… should be obvious which is which!

This one’s using daylight to try to get away from flash glare:




Here are some detailed ones of the Soprano Head and complete Whistle. It generates a very nice tone in the lower octave, but the window is a bit too deep and it needs too much wind and is harsh and sharp above G in the 2nd 8ve and won’t really go to top D, so it’s not a complete success, but it was my first (and so far only) effort at a small one.

These show the Milliput fipple block clearly.




Next are some shots of the part-made Alto Whistle head I’m intermittently working on (my most recent effort) for F or G bodies in 20mm OD tube:

Loosely assembled… not glued up, beak not cut…




Now here are some shots of the Low whistle head I made in 25mmOD tube back when I was reviewing Guido’s Low whistle and had a rush of enthusiasm for doing this stuff and experimenting… I made some extra bits to fit on Guido’s whistle, then had a go at a head of my own - this was the first one I ever made and using Milliput for the fipple - this is the ordinary yellowish grade of Milliput, not the black I used for the more recent Soprano head. I didn’t make any new body tubes for it - just used it with the ones left over from my attempts at flutes in this tube about 10 years ago. I think the beak is too short for best comfort and the window is a bit narrow from side to side and maybe a bit deep longitudinally, though it works/plays pretty decently, if not quite as well as the Dave Lymm one I bought originally that got me started with the conduit tube back then…




And lastly, the Low and High ones together showing the beak profiles:

Well, that was a bit self indulgent of me - I hope it is of some help/interest, but I must emphasise I am still an experimenter where the whistles are concerned - have only made two, neither of which I’d call successful. With the flutes/piccolos I feel rather more confident!

Tackar!

Jem, don’t worry about it. These images are very inspiring – not to mention educational. I only wish those black pvc pipes were available here as they looks a whole lot cooler than the sickly off-white ones. OTOH, my first whistle(s) will probably not be a success, so once I get better at this, I can get myself some better looking pipes.

One question though: what do you use to cut the beaks in such a nice curved shape?

I was pondering how to go about making a one-piece whistle, i.e. no clip-on cap. Now, I have no experience with whistle making and the mechanics of wind instruments, so be gentle with me if I’m way off target here.

Here’s a quick & ugly image, it’s obviously not to scale or anything, but it should help illustrate my thinking.

Would this even work?