How do you guys do them?
I am learning College groves at the moment. There’s a section that has a lot of triplets on C-natural. I finger cnat usually like OXXOOO, and the most logical thing to me is to just do a double tap. BUT, I also use Rockstro grip, and inevitably the taps come out hopelessly slow and heavy, because the index is kinked at that angle.
I suppose a tongue or glottal stop could help.
You mean rolls on C-nat?
0xx 000
0xx xxx
xxx 000
0xx 000
tapping with the G instead of B is a lot easier, and you notice you don’t have to lift your top second and third fingers 
The triplets (or rolls) as written in the College Groves are more for the fiddle etc than for the flute whistle. Maybe work your way around them to suit the whislte. Around here they play a version that avoids the issue altogether, as do the two other versions of the tune I play 
D2 FD ADFD E2 cE dEcE …etc
Hrrm. . . never considered a high-D gracenote there. Thanks!
I’m used to double taps (“birls”) on other fingers, so that seemed the natural solution. BUt I’ll work on this one. Thanks.
Whoopsie, I missed the C-nat in the middle of the roll… duh.
0xx 000
0xx xxx
0xx 000
xxx 000
0xx 000
The problem section is more likely to be the second part, isn’t it?
fd d2 faag | ec c2 efge |
If you find c rolls don’t sound convincing enough on the whistle (and I don’t) you can simply add in some melody notes, e.g.
fd (3Bcd faag | ecBc efge |
There is nothing wrong with not playing a fancy ornament where the passage lends itself to a fancy ornament on another instrument but not on yours. Long and unembellished notes are OK!
The other alternative is a tongued triplet
ec (3ccc
but not many people go that route, it can easily sound “in your face” unless it fits with your general style of playing.
Not necessarily, I was thinking of the version that starts:
D2 FD ADFD Ec ~c2 dc ~e2 DEFA d
or alternatively
D2 FD ADFD Ec~c2 dBcA DEFA d
I would think of the second part of something like:
fddc dfaf edcd efg
but as I said I have between the College groves and the New Demesne three totally different first parts and at least three variants of the rest of the tune. it a lovely one, versatile as anything and you can approach it in many ways.
I some times use a “Grip” type movement to do this job on C nat.
OXXXOX
OXXXXX
OXXOXX
OXXXXX
OXXXOX
This is a bit like the birl type except you use different fingers instead of one finger twice.
Adapted for your fingering of C nat.
OXXOOO
OXXXXX
OXXOXX
OXXXXX
OXXOOO
John S
I avoid the issue by playing it on button box 
But then you end up with a whole new issue…
True… then it’s being known as spawn of the devil and bannished outside the session door.
I do a C nat roll like this:
OXX OOX
OXX XXX
OXX OOX
XXX OOX
OXX OOX
Or
OXX XOX
OXX XXX
OXX XOX
XXX XOX
OXX XOX
Or
OXX OXX
OXX XXX
OXX OOX
XXX OXX
OXX OXX
(depends upon which whistle)
For C sharp:
OOO XXX
OOX XXX
OXO XXX
XOO XXX
OOO XXX
I had wondered how to do a C nat roll.