When I drop the three bottom fingers, I get something halfway between C nat and C#ā¦not a particularly clean note at all. This could vary somewhat between whistlesā¦Iām only trying it right here with my ānext to the computerā whistle (a Whitecap on an Oak body).
Yes i forgot to take that fact into consideration that it may differ from whistle to whistle. Im using an Oābriain-tweaked feadog. When i cover the last 3 holes, I get the same pitched C as i would with all the holes uncovered.
I just tried it with my O Briain āimproved,ā and was a quarter-tone flat of the C# when I put the three bottom fingers down. Might be close enough for a quick rollā¦I dunno.
If you want to do this at all it makes more sense playing C as OXXXOX, OXXOXX or OXXOOX or whatever works best on the particular whistle youāre playing and then cut with left index at the start of the roll and tap next with whatever lower hand finger(s) you have taken off . Will be more in tune and easy enough to do. And probably a slightly more convincing roll too.
To be honest, Peter, your piece of information concerning the C roll is the most useful thing I have learned on the board, in ages - and defines the main reason I joined the board, so long ago. Thank youā¦
Do you have any other useful tid bits for us, that would normally be hidden from us non-pipers?
I am not sure I want to be seen here as promoting the use of C natural rolls, I donāt think I know (m)any whistleplayers who use them. I suppose you can but I wonder if you should. This particular one is just a simple variant of a piperās C nat roll that would use the thumb note to do the first cut, which is highly effective on the pipes as you can still slide into the note and do other things to colour the note. I can do the roll on the whistle but havenāt found any occasion yet where Iād want to.
Point well taken Peter, but āc natural rollsā are not the issue.
While I have a tremendous respect for Irish Traditional Music, and I realize that rolls on c natural hardly are ever called for, I am vitally interested in any other useful odditites/ornamentations from the pipersā world you may be able to send our way. Any help will be appreciatedā¦
OXX OOX
OXX XXX (instead of the cut)
OXX OOX
XXX OOX (the pat)
OXX OOX
My C sharp roll
I cover the bottom 3 holes, then bounce the top fingers one at a time across the top holes, starting with the ring finger going up to the index. It sounds more complicated than it is.
The C sharp roll I use mostly in Scottish tunes (A MIX, so the C sharp is the 3rd and often used.
I use the C natural roll quite a bit. Banish Misfortune sounds better with the C naturals rolled rather than being held long and lonsome (gathering misfortune?).
Youāre welcome to it. Itās a piperās thing I suppose. I would never use it on the whistle though it does sort of work.