Ok, we’ve gone over this a lot over time, but for newcomers…
A tune is instrumental…it is a melody without words. A song has words and is sung with the human voice.
Ok.
But what if it is a grey area and you have or is tung and or is sune. Knowing how interpretive and versatile Irish music can be.
And for you bird-watchers…
They are not singing, they are tuning
On 2001-08-22 12:27, StewySmoot wrote:
And for you bird-watchers…They are not singing, they are tuning
You mean they play the banjo?
On a good day my whistle will sing . . .
We can get really crazy with this and ask for clarification between say ‘sean nos’ singing, and lilting. Is one a song in that it uses words, and the other simply a tune since even though the human voice is used, there are no words?
Just checking! 
B~
On 2001-08-22 12:34, Blaine McArthur wrote:
On 2001-08-22 12:27, StewySmoot wrote:
And for you bird-watchers…They are not singing, they are tuning
You mean they play the banjo?
You mean you have never seen a bird pluck.. oh never mind!
Does anyone know the tune to Longfellow’s “Song of Hiawatha”? Cant find the sheet anywhere
“All you of Earth are idiots!” ~Eros, Plan 9 from Outer Space
[ This Message was edited by: StewySmoot on 2001-08-22 12:49 ]
StewySmoot wrote:
And for you bird-watchers…
They are not singing, they are tuning
Blaine McArthur wrote:
You mean they play the banjo?
StewySmoot wrote:
You mean you have never seen a bird pluck.. oh never mind!
Does anyone know the tune to Longfellow’s “Song of Hiawatha”? Cant find the sheet anywhere
Actually, I have not seen a bird pluck, but I have plucked a bird.
Sean’s Nose?
Sean Nos mark! as in ‘SHAW*nus’.
Kevin Coneff of The Chieftains is a master. Just have a listen to ‘The May Morning Dew’ on water from the well, and you’ll see what I mean…but he’s also a kick butt lilter too, which in many ways seems more difficult to me! Just curious if one type is really a song and the other a tune or what!
B~
Hmmmmmm,
sean nos flute
I think Elderly Music has them.
“Tuning” is what I spend 50% of my time on the H-dulcimer doing. . .. I’ll tell ya, though, when there is a song in my heart, it doesn’t have words.
Brian-I don’t have shaw’nus about anything and I haven’t seen Sean’s nose either. So if there are any Sean’s on this board don’t take it personally. But I love punning and word play.
On 2001-08-22 16:33, MarkB wrote:
Brian-I don’t have shaw’nus about anything and I haven’t seen Sean’s nose either. So if there are any Sean’s on this board don’t take it personally. But I love punning and word play.
Got any good non sequiters, Mark? LMFAO!
Anna see my post to your post “on how to pronounce.” Latin! I haven’t spoken or wrote latin in forty years and you want me to express myself!
Furather to Brian Lee’s comment. How about the “throat singing” of the Canadian Inuit people - they don’t actually sing words so does that mean they are “throat tuning”?
SEE??? SEE??? I TOLD you guys! I’m not HALF as crazy as you think! Well…ok…maybe HALF, but definitely NOT two thirds!
B~
. . . . .“How about the “throat singing” of the Canadian Inuit people - they don’t actually sing words so does that mean they are “throat tuning”?”
Is Canadian Inuit throat tuning/singing anything like Tuvan (Mongolian) Throat singing/tuning
Blaine, Gary both are right.AND Brian you aren’t going crazy breathing all that salt air. Throat singing is more like a whistle than the apparatus needed to sing. What is actually happening that the perfomers are using their larnyxes as fipple and the throat muscles as sort of a bellows, by contracting and uncontracting them while pushing air through them. I had a chance several years ago to a attend a workshop (half day) on throat singing. There were Inuit from the north, and man from Tibet that demonstrated throat singing. The man from Tibet did three octaves and worked undertones at the same time. I became hoarse and sore from just watching him.
No Brian–not a horse.But it is more of tone singing rather than a tune or a song.
I am SO lost!
But that was true long before this thread!