Nice old flute, 45,000 years old in original case

At least this one is ivory… (pre-ban) :smiling_imp:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18196349

The original cases were … the bird and the mammoth, which are apparently not included. But I understand that some of those Nach Mammoth flutes can be quite good.

Just around the corner from me. Now that’s for some fluter’s street credibility… “Hey, around here we’ve been playing like that for 45.000 years … you wanna tell me I suck??”

That’s impossible.

Flutes have only been around for 6000 years.

:smiling_imp:

Well, if you’ve been standing on your head for 45,000 years, you’re still just standing on your head. Just sayin’… :wink:

My take-aways from the article are:

  1. Geissenkloesterle was to early Germany what Patrick Jones is to Idaho,
    and
  2. Flute music drives away Neandertals.

Close enough?

Best wishes.

Steve

Anyone want to speculate on what the E-bay selling price will be?
Has the market for antique flutes turned around yet?
Does the flute have an A=440?
Forgive me but I haven’t found much info on old German flutes.

I think not-
Bad flute music drives everyone away!

The presumption that Neanderthals didn’t have music is weak. We have two flute remnants from modern humans,
none yet from Neanderthals. Not much to go on. And there was always lilting.

There’s something to spend the idle hours this afternoon cogitating on. What is the sound of Neandertal lilting? :open_mouth:

That’s true (the music point; don’t know 'bout lilting…). The idea of no-Neanderthal art/music is also based on the lack of other art remnants besides flutes - no carved images, etc. attributed to Neanderthals (we’ll call them simple system beings), but to modern humans (we’ll call them the Boehms), and none found attributed to Neanderthal. Yet they mated, something we didn’t know or believe until recent DNA studies said otherwise (conical Boehms, or Radcliffe models).

There’s an interesting moment in Werner Herzog’s Cave of Forgotten Dreams, which discusses the flute(s) found in Germany. One is demonstrated, but the anthropologist in appropriate caveman wear only manages to play Yankee Doodle, and badly - perhaps demonstrating that OT music on flute was even played by cave people, long before fiddles were the fashion.

Some still playable ones

http://www.bnl.gov/bnlweb/pubaf/pr/1999/bnlpr092299.html

Nice article, to bad they don’t mention what key and pitch they are in… It would be nice to hear a sound sample!

Another find. Scroll down to oldest instruments:
http://www.cbc.ca/quirks
Tune at 8:01
http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/media/2011-2012/qq-2012-06-02_03.mp3

Didn’t you see the link in the article? There are two sample tunes played with the bone flute. You can surely find out the key. I reckon the first tune is in the key of D.

I hate it when scientists find a flute that’s thousands of years old, get all excited, then give a review of it after playing it for only a few minutes. First off, it needs to be played in since it’s been sitting around for so long. Then It takes a good six months of playing a “new” old flute to really develop your embouchure on it and get to the point where you can give a credible review.

Cheers,

Kirk

Is it Rudally or does it lean more towards a Pratten in style? Would you play it pipers grip or classical? In those days did they glottal stop or tongue? What would the cork position be? :smiling_imp:

There was a collection of flutes. Worth way more than your collection. So there.