35,000 year old 'flute' discovered in Germany?

Has anyone else seen this?
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=scienceNews&storyID=7055861
A 35,000 year old ‘flute’ made from a woolly mammoth’s ivory tusk was found in the Swabian mountains in southwestern Germany.

I’m not entirely sure what constitutes a ‘flute’ or a ‘whistle’ but I sorta’ doubt it had the hardware to make it a flute anything like what we know…even though it was probably made by the normally clever German folk. :slight_smile:

Dale, I think the C&F Center for Scientific Research oughta’ make the trek to Germany for further investigation and loads of tasty pastry! What say ye?

Awaiting your command,
Joe Krepps <-mostly German, sometimes clever, always ready for tasty pastry!

Naturally, the flute forum’s ahead of the game on this one. :smiley:

http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=24353

Pictures, we want PICTURES!

From what it says, it would be a pic of bone shards.

tsk

Em, as I recall, the article sez the shards were reassembled. My question is, is it playable? Is it in Just, Mean, or Equal temperament? May we expect replicas?

OK, I will bow to semantic hairsplitting and admit upon rereading that the article said “pieced together”, not “reassembled”. Philistines. You may be right, Em. They might have put it together like a puzzle and then got tired. How to find out? Must I travel to Swabia?

Nano…are you arguing with yourself?

Don’t worry; it’s normal.

For me.

Mammoth tusks: the PVC of the stone age

:smiley:

(There’s just something really funny about imagining a prehistoric human trying to make an instrument. Probably the fact that I’ve tried and felt like a caveman myself. :stuck_out_tongue: )

One could form a lot from 31 shards of bone. What makes them so sure it’s an instrument. Without pictures it’s a worthless article. Maybe the archeologists wanted to find an instrument thus they found an instrument.

Ok, girls and boys,
as Tübingen is only a stone’s throw away, I’ll see if I can give that ol’ Schwegel a good Flogging Reel. And after that I’ll make a couple of replicas out of hens’ wings and sell them for 2.000 each. Now is that a master plan? :smiley:

Hah! For 2.000 Euros, I want crane bone. AND a tuning slide. :smiling_imp:

I have written in my will, that I insist on being buried with my trombone…the trombone I hated, and was forced to play in 7th grade. In that way, I’ll know that nobody will ever be forced to play it, ever again.

But after reading this thread, I am hoping that, 35,000 years from now, when I am dug up, some archeologist will make a discovery…ancient Homo sapiens found with curious metal musical instrument.

Lost

Heheh. I was thinking the same thing. What if it used to be a whole tusk and they just never found the peices where the “holes” are?

Try this one: http://www.faz.net/s/RubF7538E273FAA4006925CC36BB8AFE338/Doc~ED3FFFBAEB77342D89C54FF8617238990~ATpl~Ecommon~Scontent.html#top

The article is in German, but the pictures are quite astonishing anyway.

Claus

Bit of a stretch, unless they’re the redundant C/C# holes on the footjoint!

I see Gary was posting a pic at the same time, ah well..

It appears to have a shakuhachi or quena style mouthpiece. I would guess it is more of a flute than a whistle. If I’m right, it would be held more like a whistle, but would be played like a flute as you would need an ambushure (lip position and technique using the lips an integral part of the tone making apparatus of the instrument) to even get a tone.

That notch could just be a finger hole that was a weak point and the fipple or mouthpiece was on one of the missing ends.
Rod

..so the whistle industry in Germany is about 35.000 years old ?

Congratulations - lots of experience in whistle fabrication there !
:boggle: