Junior Crehan

It is four years this week since Junior Crehan was laid to rest outside Mullagh church. A year after his death a tree was planted outside the place where he played every Sundaynight, in memory of himself and the other departed musicians that used to played there.

Earlier tonight tribute was paid to the great man, music was played outside, Junior’s daughter Ita and Angela, PJ Crotty, Jacky Daly, Kitty Hayes and myself played some of Juniors compositions, Caisleann an Oirr, Struthan a’ Chait and offcourse The Mist Covered Mountain, which itself was standing just so in the dark a few miles away.
There was an interesting moment when an English car came down the lonely country road, turned the corner to see us playing in the headlights, it drove on a hunderd yards, turned and the people inside sat listening, wondering.

Anyway, there was a thread about what is at the core of the music. I was thinking about that when we were playing tonight, the night was about Junior, who was at the very core of it. He passed his music on and shared it freely with anybody, no matter where you came from. He gave his tunes and encouragement unreservedly if you had a commitment to the music. He believed the music belongs to those who play it and cherish it, who keep it in their heart.

Inside we played for the sets, as we do every week, there were six of us playing, accordeon, concertina, fiddle two flutes[Eamonn Cotter joined later during the night between himself and PJ there was some serious fluteplaying going on] and myself on the whistle. The dancers were whizzing about, it was fun. Later there were songs, a recitation, Tim Dennehy read one of his poems and sang a song. On the way home I dropped a few people off, Kitty and her concertina at her hilltop farmhouse, another old singer at her cottage below. Mount Callan still sitting there, covered in mist. The people and the music, the fun the sadness. Isn’t that what it’s all about.

On 2002-08-04 21:06, Peter Laban wrote:
It is four years this week since Junior Crehan was laid to rest outside Mullagh church.
Anyway, there was a thread about what is at the core of the music. I was thinking about that when we were playing tonight, the night was about Junior, who was at the very core of it. He passed his music on and shared it freely with anybody, no matter where you came from. He gave his tunes and encouragement unreservedly if you had a commitment to the music. He believed the music belongs to those who play it and cherish it, who keep it in their heart.

We are his heirs, respectfully, God rest his soul.

Thanks, Peter, for sharing that. Your post is filled with the joy and the sadness, and a bit of that longing that has drawn me to the Music.

I’m playing Junior Crehan’s Favorite (the Knotted Chord) in his memory.

Could any of you recommend a favorite recording that is available of him playing?

Sorry, can’t help you but would like to know myself. In the meantime, here is a pic of the great man:

Junior Crehan

Junior never really recorded, when asked why not he said; ‘nobody ever asked’.

Some tracks were available though on the Comhaltas lp ‘Ceol an Chlair’ which also featured Bobby Casey, Joe Ryan and Patrick Kelly

Some archive material is available, the Delaney collection in the university of North Carolina has some nice stuff, again as often for this sort of stuff we’ll have to rely on private recordings [which are plentyful though none seem to exist dating from a time when Junior was in his prime, during the 40s and 50s].

Some more information can be found on the website of Junior’s grandson http://www.kevincrehan.com
While at it listen to his CD which is probably the nicest solo fiddle recording I have come across in years. It features a large body of Junior’s compositions.

I edit/add [to save Teri the trouble] that you will probably find him on the RTE website
Ciaran MacMathuna recorded Junior extensively during the 50s and 60s, some of that was available on his radio compilation Job of Journeywork so I imagine there will be stuff on the website too.

[ This Message was edited by: Peter Laban on 2002-08-05 16:24 ]

We got a pattern here:

You extol these great masters then I find out I can’t hear em!!! This is not Reasonable Person behavior…Sigh…

Please, oh please, start a cd company and crank out some re-issues and private recordings (as though funding and permission wasn’t an issue!)…

Seriously, thanks for supplying the information and on the Crehan site.And the prosaic description of the memorial music making made my day. I just don’t know if we approach these memorial concerts in the US in such a fashion as you describe. We have them but…

By the way, do I want to see Martin Hayes and Dennis Cahill? They are coming to Berkeley soon. I have seen the cds but not heard them…

“From East to West - Live Sessions” has two cuts by Mick Crehan playing whistle (a nephew). The first an air “An Buachaill Caol Dubh” not by Junior but one of the best played airs I have heard. The second being two hornpipes composed by Junior Crehan.

Also, “The May Moring Dew” by Mick O’Brien has a few of Junior’s compositions. Both great CDs.

This little tune is in fashion just now. The usual key seems to be Am but it’s happier on the whistle in Bm. Give it a try.

I read somewhere that Junior borrowed the title from an old music-hall song - not sure whether he adapted the melody of the song for the hornpipe though.


X:1
T:Her golden hair hanging down her back
M:4/4
L:1/8
C:Junior Crehan
S:B-minor version for whistle
R:Hornpipe
Z:Steve Jones
K:Bm
de
| fedf e2dB | A(F~F2) A2de | fedf e2de | fbba b2ag |
| fedf efdB | A(F~F2) ABde | fedB edBA | B2BA Bc :expressionless:
|: de
| f(a~a2) afef | dBBc d3e | fbba b2ag | fedf e2 de |
| f(a~a2) afef | dBBc dcde | fedB edBA| B2BA B2 :||


PS People seem to play it more like a slow reel than a hornpipe. Take no notice of the MIDI version generated by concertina.net.

Edited to tweak the ABC code


[ This Message was edited by: StevieJ on 2002-08-05 21:04 ]

By the way, do I want to see Martin Hayes and Dennis Cahill? They are coming to Berkeley soon. I have seen the cds but not heard them…

Yes, you want to see them. Definitely.

Carol

On 2002-08-05 16:29, The Weekenders wrote:
We got a pattern here:

You extol these great masters then I find out I can’t hear em!!! This is not Reasonable Person behavior…Sigh…

Please, oh please, start a cd company and crank out some re-issues and private recordings (as though funding and permission wasn’t an issue!)…

Funding and permissions are not really issues, actually, in most cases, I think. At any rate, copyright descends to the designated heir (whomever gets the ‘and all the rest’ clause…) and I have trouble imagining a son or daughter not wanting their musical parents’ legacy to live, so it’s likely just a matter of asking. Once permission is obtained, you just need some poor sap with a CD burner (hi…) to sit around recording reel-to-reel, cassette, etc., into digital, equalizing the levels, and so on, and then shipping out copies on request for cost of materials & postage.

Now, -collecting- said private recordings from who-knows what dusty attics and basements, that is another challenge altogether, and hoping that the original tape was copied and the copies played, or else it may all be scratches and static, etc.

For bonus points, a group of interested persons could even form a non-profit corporation and label it the “Irish Traditional Music Recording Preservation Group” or something along those lines but a bit catchier. It could even involve the phrase ‘Chiff & Fipple’, if Dale’s stamp of approval was given (has Dale registered Chiff & Fipple as a trademark and/or service mark yet?) This involves having 3 citizens of the U.S.A sign on as a board of directors, and I have no idea what it takes to become a multinational non-profit (but it would certainly make sense for any such organization to exist in Ireland as well! I just don’t know the laws there…) The benifits are separate finances (so if the odd-pennies when you round up to the nearest 50 cents for postage & materials go into costs of the project and not somebody’s pocket) and tax-deductible donations. Oh, and that if someone goofs on the permission thing, they sue the non-profit corporation not the poor suckers raking closets for tapes and/or churning out CDs.

Given sufficient interest in particular titles, of course, a pressed batch could be made, and CDs could drop by as much as half in cost, and maybe even spread the extras to various public libraries.

Or we could just sit here and complain about the unfairness of it all. :wink:

–Chris

On 2002-08-06 16:04, ChrisA wrote:
(has Dale registered Chiff & Fipple as a trademark and/or service mark yet?) This involves having 3 citizens of the U.S.A sign on as a board of directors, and I have no idea what it takes to become a multinational non-profit (but it would certainly make sense for any such organization to exist in Ireland as well! I just don’t know the laws there…)

OK, I am going to try to make this short and painless, like ripping off a band-aid quickly.

The above is wildly incorrect.

I like the idea of putting field recordings on a CD, though. :slight_smile:


/bloomfield

[ This Message was edited by: Bloomfield on 2002-08-06 16:21 ]

‘Wildly incorrect’?

Granted, incorporation is different from state-to-state, but I thought it was largely uniform, and granted the only corporation I’ve formed was a for-profit, (though I’m active in a couple non-profits) but I believe the minimum size of 3 for the board of directors still applies (in Massachusetts, anyway), and granted there is the small matter of the filing fee (which is $1000 for a for-profit, but I think only a couple hundred for a non-profit) …

So which part is wildly incorrect…?

–Chris

–Chris

Thanks for responding to my jest and/or complaint.

Peter had told me some stories about behind the scenes feuding back in County Clare and I kind of wondered if it would be as easy to get permission as you imply. But start-up costs are pretty cheap now with CDs burners everywhar.

I would infinitely prefer to buy a Bobby Casey record from C&F Record Company than a baseball cap or coffee mug!!!

Face it, Peter Laban is the man. He already has photos for cover art and promos and could include the signed printed photos.

Sorry, Peter, I’m not volunteering you or anything but you DO have those private recordings I keep hearing about!!

Thanks again ChrisA.

On 2002-08-06 17:04, The Weekenders wrote:

Peter had told me some stories about behind the scenes feuding back in County Clare and I kind of wondered if it would be as easy to get permission as you imply.

Well, you likely won’t get permission from anyone who hopes to make money from a legacy, which is especially likely to include those who already have professional recordings out, even if out of print, but I think familial pride is a strong motivator, and if someone asked a dozen heirs and six said yes, that’s six more than we have permission from now, right? :wink:

Of course, the only way to find out is to ask. I know that a U.S. government project to collect folksongs in the south met with little resistance (of course, they were making their own recordings), but that they were ‘largely’ welcomed doesn’t tell me how many refusals they met, and naturally the distilled NPR report wasn’t going to dwell on that part too much.

Anyway, I say there’s nothing to lose by asking, and much to gain.


–Chris

Steve: Thanks for tune. I really like it. It just doesnt seem quite hornpipey (compared to others I play) probably because I haven’t heard Junior play it and it doesn;'t have some of the more predictable hornpipe melodic direction. It reminds me of Breathnach book 1 #157 a bit because that one doesn’t seem quite like a reel in the same fashion..Thinking of it in Bm tonality adds to the different character to me, I think.
Great!

[ This Message was edited by: The Weekenders on 2002-08-07 00:49 ]

The first time I heard it played in Bm was on Mick O Brien’s Cd, I have junior and Casey playing it on some tape or other but as far as I remember in a different key. Junior did move his compositions about a bit, on older recordings The Mist Covered Mountain was always played in Gm, that one moved up. The Otter’s Holt moved about a bit too before ending mostly played in Bm.
Some of Junior’s tune are a bit unusual in structure, tunes like The Hills of Coor and the Last House in Ballymakea are not particularly hornpipe-ish really. Nice tunes though.

On 2002-08-06 17:04, The Weekenders wrote:


Sorry, Peter, I’m not volunteering you or anything but you DO have those private recordings I keep hearing about!!

It is a subject that comes up regularly in all sorts of contexts, offcourse it’s easy to stick a few bits on a CD, in fact a friend of mine has transferred a lot of my stuff onto CDs.
There are a lot of recordings of all sorts of people, one can wonder is there a market. Junior Crehan’s son, the late Tony, started his own record label launching ‘Casey in the Cowhouse’ which, while a classic, I think still hasn’t sold out it’s first edition after nearly ten years.
Also, it’s not easy to getthat sort of stuff off the ground, when Martin Rochford died I helped putting together a radio praogramme in his memory for Clare Fm . Claire Keville, the presenter suggested a CD of Martin’s music. I looked into it and talked to people about the practicalities and, let’s say it didn’t take off. Fear of the begrudgers [they will only think your are trying to make money now he’s gone] and scepticism about any prospects [you’ll hardly sell any of that, they want bouzouki’s not old stuff]were most often heard argumaents. So that was it.

On 2002-08-06 16:33, ChrisA wrote:
‘Wildly incorrect’?

Granted, incorporation is different from state-to-state, but I thought it was largely uniform, and granted the only corporation I’ve formed was a for-profit, (though I’m active in a couple non-profits) but I believe the minimum size of 3 for the board of directors still applies (in Massachusetts, anyway), and granted there is the small matter of the filing fee (which is $1000 for a for-profit, but I think only a couple hundred for a non-profit) …

So which part is wildly incorrect…?

–Chris

–Chris

Sorry for cluttering Junior’s thread with this.

On 2002-08-06 16:04, ChrisA wrote:
(has Dale registered Chiff & Fipple as a trademark and/or service mark yet?) This involves having 3
citizens of the U.S.A sign on as a board of directors, and I have no idea what it takes to become a
multinational non-profit (but it would certainly make sense for any such organization to exist in
Ireland as well! I just don’t know the laws there…)

Trademarks/service marks have nothing to do with incorporation, except that a corporation may own them. There is no citizenship requirement for forming a corporation (or were you thinking of subchapter S of the Tax Code?). In Massachusetts (if you want to be provincial) three incorporators are required, not three directors. In NY or Delaware, there is no minimun requirement for incorporators, officers, or directors. Non-profits can’t really be “multi-national” since tax-exemption is a national thing. And finally, I wouldn’t be too sure that a corporation is going to shield you from the consequences of copy-right infringements.

Ugh, nasty stuff. Sorry about that and sorry about the "wildly incorrect. Now I really think we should talk about the music and the old masters some more. :slight_smile:

Best,

Thanks for taking the time to explain about efforts thus far to make the cds, Peter.

Some passionate IRTRAD lover with very deep pockets will likely take it on someday…I hope your collections are available if it happens.

We have a wealthy guy here in El Cerrito who runs a record store and recording label doing re-issues of those old blues guys. He’s very famous for having done so but I don’t think he’s ever made money from it, but in our tax structure you are better off running an operation and paying expenses than having your money under the mattress. In his case, it furthers a kind of music he loves.

That’s the likely scenario that I see happening with this. Some rich Clare guy or someone who retires there!!!