A question for experienced pipers...

What are the secrets to good variation, if any? I’m working on a few tunes trying to vary the melody subtly using tools such as ornamental variation (eg, changing between rolls, stacatto triplets etc) and melodic variation, including some of the techniques described in Pat Mitchell’s Willie Clancy book (ie, flattening out; two down, one up runs).

But I’m wondering, as an isolated piper, how do experienced pipers learn to approach variation - do they do as I do and sit down and slowly work out different things, practice them over and over?

Or is it an objective to be able to perform unpredicatble variation on the fly without going totally off on a tangent (as some versions of Colonel Fraser seem to do :wink: )

Is there a secret formula, perhaps a regional one, passed on from teacher to student, that is used as a guideline for variation?

Cheers,

DavidG

After years of listening to the old masters, I believe that less is more when it comes to “good variation”.

Yes but one still has to be able to do it. As long as we don’t make the ‘less is more’ thing a cop out. Listening to Ennis, I wouldn’t agree that he takes a minimalist approach. Tracks such as his version of The Salamanca are examples of well-crafted, variation-heavy piping.

More, or less, I want to know how to approach it as up until now, I’ve just been working out things to do in advance, practicing them and playing my tunes with these pre-arranged variations. Which is why I’d appreciate some input from someone who is adept at variation - not just theorising. (Please don’t take that as a personal rejection, Brian, it’s a general plea. I appreciate your input. It is to avoid having a barrage of theoretical comments from learner pipers who haven’t yet reached the stage of learning to deal with variation). Practical solutions, in short :slight_smile:

DavidG

I suspect there is a secret formula: a head full of music.

I understand it can be acquired[1]

Seriously - I think ideally the variations should seem second-nature, rather than the result of an analytical process. I suspect that means they have to be internalised first.

Bill

[1] mostly by listening. Listening repeatedly to as many excellent treatments of a tune as possible makes sense.

As a 30 year fiddle and banjo player, (but general beginner piper), I developed variation on fiddle and banjo by first working out variations when playing a tune a few thousand times over and making mistakes and finding the mistakes sometimes sounded good as I tried to move past them without interrupting the tune. So I worked on them and would work them into the tune. (I dont see why it couldnt/wouldnt be the same on pipes, and is part of what I practice–the variation part, not the mistakes). After years of playing, the tunes become ingrained, and pretty soon you just start to hear stuff as you’re playing and start to try different things. So yes, working out set variations first is not a bad way to go. Then after a few years, you will see how the bits and pieces can fit together in different ways, and the variations suddenly become “spontaneous.” Most would find it not too hard to lilt variations on the that good old Irish tune Buffalo Gals because we are so familiar with it and we know how to use our voices. Spontaneous variation is something that comes not only from experience with the tune at hand and experience with the instrument you play, but with practicing spontaneous variation. I try to play it differently each time --this includes variation of ornament and melody. I would venture that Ennis and Michael Coleman had set variations to go with their spontaneous ones, including spontaneously varriating (is that a word?) their set ones. If you listen to different recordings of Ennis on the same tune you hear his standard ones as well as his spontaneous. And I agree that listening (as well as practicing) goes a long way in this.

As Bill implies, it comes from within. The ability is innate but can be developed. One must be familiar with the music and also have a good ear and sense of what goes with what. Those who have formal musical training probably grasp and develop the opportunity better than the rest of us. While, memorizing variations and playing a tune through in a set evolution of variations is probably a good first start, it is too concrete and lacks the real expression that a musician is after when playing variations so as to not “harp” on the same phrases repeatedly. I think that, for msot, a good way to introduce freshness to a tune early in ones musical development is to do what has been mentioned…and vary a few key notes here and there…instead of a roll on a, if it works play a a followed by a aca triplet…or an aca triplet followed by an a…or a a f a …and so on. This will keep a tune fresh and “vary” what the listner hears. Over do it and the tune is a disaster.

There you go, Mr.AUSDAG, asking questions again!
There is a tradition of variations of the thought-out variety, but you have to go at it from the Historical Aspect, to find some of the material (at the Home Yardage Store?). What follows is “By -The-Yard”! Stop reading now, or your eyes will glaze over! Editors usualy write: M.E.G.O. for this stuff.
When my group “Sheila na Gig” was playing for “The Treasures of Irish Art” touring exhibit, at the De Young Museum, San Francisco, 1978 (with such objects d’art as: The Book of Kells, Trinity College Harp, Ardagh Chalice, Tara Broach, St. Patrick’s Bell Shrine, etc. etc.) We researched the instruments, costumes, and tried to find the “ancient music " of Ireland. We found precious little in the way of “printed” Irish music of any “Early” or “Ancient” Music, our objective was the 1500s time period.
Early Irish Music extracted by theory from Ogam script on Standing Stones ( in reality, mostly “Kilroy Was Here” inscriptions), was rejected, by me, as not music. The " 'ap Huy” (son of Hugh) manuscript of Welsh Harp tablature, might be technical, (read dull) exercises, as interpreted by Arnold Dolmetch. Getting a little better, is “William Ballet’s Lute Book”, from behind the English “Pale” (sharpened log fence) of Dublin, in Lute tablature, with some Irish tunes, but mostly English and Continental tunes. Other English sources, such as Fitzwilliam’s Virginal Book (Dover Publications New York, in 2 volumnes) contains four Irish gems (my favorite title: “the Irish Dumpe”, is a dance tune).
The group had better luck with the Scots “Oral Tradition” the “ancient song” Duan nan Ceardaich, on the Folkways LP “Songs and Pipes of the Hebrides” (Fe 4430) our singer, Jim Duran, found that the tune to this Ossianic chant, fit the rhythm of the words in the opening part of the Duanaire Finn, the"Poem Book of Finn", a book, published in France, by Irish gentleman soldiers (“Wild Geese”) in the 1700s. I am telling you all this, as a warm up to my “Early Layer of Musical Practice in the British Isles” lecture.
I started out on Scots GHB where there’s plenty of examples “Old and New” of Scots “ceol beg” with 2 part tunes (A and B), expanded to 4 parts (A,B,C, and D), for examples of these Variations, sometimes at their most extreme, consult (for instance): “The Scots Guards / standard settings of pipe music” 11th edition, Paterson Publications, London (1965). I like to deconstruct these 4 part tunes, back to what I think is the “oridginal” 2 parts, which drives Scots pipers crazy. Then there’s my Northumbrian Small Pipe Music filled with variations, some from manuscripts noted down in the mid 1600s with 6 bar lines, but alot of them from the 1700s (see Vicker’s Tunes- Dragonfly publications). The earliest Scots printed music, started out in 1733, with the publication of William Thomson’s “Orpheus Caledonius” (reprinted 1962 Folklore Associates). Now I’m going to get to the meaty part of this: The recently discovered, Scots Lowland Pipe / Northumbrian Half-long music of the William Dixon manuscript ( also 1733) reprinted by Matt Seattle (Matt actualy started out life with one “T”). Matt has given this Dixon ms. the title of: “The Master Piper, or the Nine Notes That Shook the World”. (1996, Dragonfly) Here are Tunes with as many as 14 variations, 40 tunes in all. Reading this music, you get an idea of how much TIME 18th century people had on their hands (no radio, no T.V., no Xbox even!). The problem is making the variations sound musical! Also Note: If you start at a slow enough tempo, you may get through the faster sections, toward the end of each tune.
Moving to Geoghan’s “Tutor for the New or Pastoral Bagpipe” (1746) and the recently discovered,“Advocate’s Library Pastoral Pipe ms.”(see Mr. Ross Anderson’s postings, here on C&F) you find the same kind of variations that are in the style of the Northumbrian music I just mentioned.
Printed Irish music gets a start with “O’Carolan’s Compositions” by John and William Neale (circa 1721). The real title is unknown, as the title page was torn off. True Irish pipe music, really comes on with O’Farrell’s “Collection of National Irish Music for the Union Pipes” (1804), and his “Pocket Companion for the Irish or Union Pipes”, circa 1805-1810 ( both reprinted by Pat Sky). The variations found here are STILL in the style of the Scots and English tune collections, previously noted. Now on to George Petrie’s "Ancient Music of Ireland "(1855) and the music of the piper Paddy Coneely, no variations printed there, with one exception, “The Battle of Augrim” a programatic, descriptive piece. Please see
Jimmy O’ Brien-Moran’s analysis on the Sean Reid Society vol.2 CD-Rom. In my opinion, the Irish style of “Airs and Variations”, sharing the same, “written-down”,composed, non-spontaneous variations (as found in other parts of the Isles, that tradition has continued on to our times) did diminish greatly in Irish printed sources, after the Famine (1847). Now, most of us study transcriptions of (seemingly) IMPROVISED VARIATIONS, off of recordings, after the "live"performance, and marvel at the tunes these pipers “turn on their heads”, inverted arpeggios, big jumps, rubato, contours subtley changed, but still recognizable as the original tune… and the gracings! I think they RIVAL the Bulgarian Gaida, and the SCOTS GHB traditions, for complicated styles of grace notes.
In conclusion, I suspect that a certain amount of “cooking up” of variations, goes on with the modern “Great” Irish pipers, but due to the tremendous prejudice against the “dot readers”, nobody is admiting anything, to anybody.
“You have to pay your dues”, mostly it’s TIME PRACTICING! At the same time, apply the intellect, and avail yourself of every method possible, for understanding “THE MUSIC” S.F.

What are the secrets to good variation

Imagination, thats all

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Sean makes a good point as they all do, if ye are in a postion yo get hold of as many transcriptions of tunes for cross reference ye will be amazed at the variety of variations in the same tunes..ye can also, if ye use this method mix and match.. it is always fun to do that.
Now that is fine if ye have access to books, if ye don’t, a good exercise to try (at home at first) is to throw in a completely “wild” note…any note as long as it doesnae fit in remotely with the tune, then pull the tune back any way ye can..without losing it..that is real improvisation and great fun as well coz ye don’t really know what is coming at ye.This serves to make the mistakes, when they happen for real, as a good thing, because with time and confidence ye can turn it around to a musical advantage.It also helps to find variations that ye will like and introduce into a piece as your own standard..
I heard this advice frae Liz Carrol the fiddle player when she was giving a lecture a while back and it holds good for any instrument…

But less is really more …I heard one piper many moons ago who eagerly offered to teach me a tune at the London Pipers Club.He started up and showed me variation after variation and was teaching me the tune which he didnae give me the title of at the beginning.In the end, absolutely confused with what we were doing, I asked him what one earth are we playing…?
It was Frahers.. I was amazed. It didnae sound anything remotely like it and was absolutely aweful.. it was so full of variations that the melody was unrecognisable.Technically good but musically :swear: aweful.
I was not at all impressed, nor am I today with over complicating the melody.
A little picks up the ear of a jaded listener and carries them along to the next part and that is how it should be IMO..
Dave I think what ye are doing all by yersel is fine as well… we all do it :wink:
Slán Go Foill
Uilliam

Speaking not from a piping perspective, but a fiddle (my main instrument) perspective, I agree 100% with Uilliam and SeanA.P. here. If you improvise beyond the melody of any tune, it ceases to be that tune. Each note of a tune has a distinct value that must be taken into consideration when building upon the melody in the form of variation. Less certainly is more, subtleties make all of the difference IMHO.

Well, there was Dublin fiddler Tommy Potts, well-known for his “composition” the Butterfly, which is actually an amalgam of old slip jigs his father John (a piper) played. Tommy completely bent tunes beyond recognition sometimes, in a logical way too - his Liffey Banks LP was favorably reviewed in classical journals, I bet jazzers liked him too - you could consider this over-the-top or in bad taste or whatever but for me and a lot others he made up for it by putting a huge amount of intensity and passion into his playing, without which it might just sound mannered.

The tune-with-variations hasn’t had much of a home in Irish music for a long time! Patsy Touhey’s various versions of the Morning Star, Munster Gimlet (AKA Kitty Come Down to Limerick), Irish Washerwoman, Drowsie Maggie, Duke of Leinster, etc., show what I’d call basic substitution-style variation - triplet instead of run of notes, series of rolls in place of melody, etc. What we’ve come to expect. These are the earliest examples we have of different takes of a tune from one player. Nothing akin to what Tom Clough played. I think the Irish pipe chanter simply isin’t suited to that kind of workout - so much of it involves jumps of an octave, or alternating the tonic with descending or ascending notes on the fifth, and the like. It can be done to an extent in D but that would involve playing-off the knee - I’m thinking of a tune like Sir Sidney Smith’s march (a NSP tune), your C# would be rather sour and flat, whereas with the NSP every note is clean and pure - the right instrument for the job! The fiddle presents no problems there either, but the Irish pipers abandonded the form of tune at some point. The dancers wouldn’t have any part of it!
There are a few vestiges of it hanging around, of course, some tunes structurally have parallel parts in octaves, call-and-response sections, stuff like that. A sort of composed variation, perhaps. Jerry O’Sullivan remarks on this rather old-fashionedness of many of the tunes in O’Farrell’s collections. Have you heard Jerry’s O’Farrell CD, Sean? It has some really great tunes, very archaic sounding as billed. Jerry’s next O’Farrell CD will feature the more baroque - early classical? - whatever you call it - aspect of O’Farrell’s music.
Willie Clancy played a little run of notes up to the C and G in the Dear Irish Boy, I remember reading that this was borrowed over from the old harping tradition - the struith mhor, or great stream. Oops, sorry, that’s Sruth mor, darn faulty memory. Click on the link to see the following example, a video, Gráinne Yeats pronouncing it for you, wow!

Pat Mitchell explains variation well in the Willie book; another very good tutorial is LM McCullough’s Tin Whistle tutor. I always think of the Donnybrook Jig, which starts out thus: GFG AGA B2e dBa. Well, how about G3 AGA B2e dBa. Or GDG AGA B2e dBa. Or G2B AGA B2e dBa. Or GAB AGA B2e dBa. There’s four, just varying the first three notes melodically. Think of what can be done with rolls, different grace notes, slurs, arpeggios, tight or open phrasing…another thing about the Irish pipes chanter is the things you can do with the tone - little “attacks” on notes to modulate how they sound, swelling it, muting it, adding vibrato, crossfingerings, etc. etc. It leaves the fiddle and the flute in the dust! Accordions need not apply! You very rarely hear pipers take an interest in this stuff anymore, however. Jimmy O’Brien-Moran is one example who has a CD out. Compare how his notes sound to some other piper’s more plain delivery.

Dear Brian, Bill, Jack, Glands, Sean, Tom, Uilliam, Joseph, and Kevin,

Wow…Thanks very much for such detailed information. I once complained that I didn’t learn much from this forum, but this is a true exception. After reading all this it seems that I have basically been approaching the subject in more or less the manner described above, but having never had anyone to discuss it with, your responses have confirmed the manner in which I should continue to develop and refine my piping. I especialy appreciate the historical explanations, Sean, and the technical bits, Kevin - the Sruth Mor struck a chord as it’s something I latched onto a few years back reading a Paddy Moloney transcript and hearing Willie Clancy play it, but never knowing the connection to harping. I shall follow the link.

Thanks again, and , onwards and upwards.

DavidG

With notable exceptions - Seamus Ennis’ Salamanca?

Kevin,

This is the sort of thing I’ve been working on - variation in ornamentation. I’ve been working out a bit on a C# chanter and it’s been interesting to discover the things that one can do on a flat chanter but not so well on a wide-bore and vice-versa.

Where I start scratching my head is when it comes to melodic variation and yours and the other response above have help much in regards to that approach.

Cheers,

DavidG

Did you read Pat Mitchell’s articles for the Sean Reid society? The yshould give some clues for getting started by describing some means of variation open to pipers .
Other than that it’s a matter of being at home with your instrument and music to find some room to move around freely.

I also think taste is the key, you can vary wildly at times and stay within the boundaries of good taste without ruining a tune. Look at Clancy when on the form or Johnny Doran, nobody ever claimed he bolloxed his tunes. While, lets face it he sometiems did really terrible things, always putting something after capable of blowing you away and show who’s boss.

Hi Peter, I’ve just started on the Mitchell article, and I’ve read his Willie Clancy book - very helpful. I listen mostly to Willie Clancy for ideas at the moment and work at using those techniques in my own piping. As far as playing is concerned, I either work out things on the chanter and practice adding them to the tune, or I try doing it spontaneously - small variations at the moment. The more I do it, the more I feel comfortable with the chanter and the less I stuff up completely.

Cheers,

DavidG

Hi Kevin! We have the “Great Stream” of notes spelled “Struth Mor” (with a fada mark over the O in Mor), on our group Sheila na Gig: “Holy Well” LP liner notes, proof-read by Jim Duran, my authority on all things Gaelic. I read about it for the first time in the book "Folk Music & Dances of Ireland " by Breandan Breathnach (Talbot Press Dulin 1971) on page 102 he spells it “Sruth Mor” too!
Well, you can have it both ways, with the changable orthography of modern Gaelic spelling, and with the dialect influence thrown in.
I know when I first heard "the Stream’ was the first LP I bought of Irish Pipes, Leo Rowsome’s “Ri na bPiobairi” (The King of the Pipers).
The two tracks of SLOW AIRS that had this, are: “The Coolin” and “The Death of Staker Wallace”. In “Classical Music” this practice is called a Cadenza, where the virtuosity of the player is “shown off” to the best of the player’s ability and taste. This cadenza stream was written about in regard to the Harpers and later, the Pipers of Munster (the S.W. quarter of Eire)
For a florid written source of these cadenzas, See Edward Bunting’s
“The Ancient Music of Ireland” (1796, 1809, and 1840) reprinted by Walton’s Music, Dublin (1969). Ed was an Organist, and “transcribed” the music of the last “Trad” Harpers (such as Denis Hempson, and many other Harpers) at the Belfast and Grannard Harp Festivals, in the late 1700s.
There’s plenty of “Sruth Mor” written up by Bunting, how much of it is Bunting’s own manufacture, is a question that we moderns will never know the answer to. I say this, as a trained musician, I have read alot of scores, and in my opinion, Bunting threw in lots of dreadful, almost unplayable noodles. I can’t imagine the Harpers playing this stuff!
This publication “For The PianoForte”, was directed at the (stay) “At Homes” and “stumped” poor Piano students (and their Teachers?) for years ! As a music teacher, I can at least imagine that part of the story!
Thank goodness the Pipers came up and carried some of the Harper’s more musical “streams” forward in the Tradition!
I’d like to close with a firm recommendation for the works of Leo Rowsome and Breandan Breathnach, (noted above), They are a “Gold Standard” for an Introduction to Irish Music, and I feel very lucky to have started out my studies with these great men! Sean Folsom

“Ed Bunting,” sounds like a cabbie…maybe a first baseman. I think I got the term struith mór from Breathnach’s book as well, I remember telling you years ago about passing up the big book (Armstrong?) of Irish and Scottish harps, $70 wasn’t lying around handy at the time. Might have missed out on a bargain there! It certainly was a beautiful book. I want to get Donal O’Suilleabhain’s O’Carolan book sometime as well, I noticed it up for $50 recently. Tomas O Canainn wrote an excellent book on Irish music as well. Between the two you’ll know what’s what.
I recall reading about a “Wild Baroque” type of ornamentation that was pan-European, which found its way into all sorts of music, featuring these very florid runs, cadenzas and the like. Over time art music has rigified to a great deal but musicians once had a great deal of liberty in their playing.
Certain sean-nos singing styles are very florid, too, full of variation. Those I’d say are more akin to the type of variation I was mentioning, very hard to put on paper. Not rolls or graces or triplets, instead ways of “humouring” notes.
The most interesting part of Mitchell’s article for me was his wondering whether Matt Kiernan was a piper - his only obvious ornament was the ACA triplet, so was Matt a piper? I have a couple things of Matt on tape and it certainly is - lots of expressive phrasing, vibrato, probably some graces in there too.

Yes, Calling Mr. Bunting "Ed’, is my way of being funny, but I am glad he wrote the Harper’s music in notation, at all! If he hadn’t , I don’t think anyone else would have done it. Irish Music was held in low regard by many people of wealth who didn’t subscribe to the publication of books of “antiquarian interest”, and Harp music was definately considered “Antique” by the last decade of the 1700s. Matt Keirnan was definately a Piper, and a “Grand Old Man” who kept people going with chanters, practice sets, and Half sets. I wasn’t a good judge of his pipng at the time we first met in 1973. When I came back in 1975 he wasn’t playing that much. I was that rare tourist that never carried a camera or a tape recorder around, so I have only the good memories.
I don’t know if he ever made a full set, or one with 1 or 2 regulators?
I remember seeing some regs in his workshop. Matt also contributed 11 tunes to The first volumne of “Ceol Rince na hEireann” by B. Breathnach. It has Matt’s version (Number 157 ) of “The Sailors Bonnet” usualy a fiddle tune, and slightly hard to play on pipes, with a high B jumps, you gotta have a good reed! Matt is listed under his Gaelic spelling, “Mac Tighearnain, Maitiu” on page 107. In “Sean nos” the term used for the ornaments is "melismatic’ ( melisma, melismas). Used to describe the vocal ornamentation of Gregorian chant. It is used in describing the vocal and instrumental practice of Middle Eastern Music (Arabic, Armenian, Greek,Persian, Turkish, et al). Sean Folsom

Just finished reading the Pat Mitchell article in SR1 and SR2. Very enlightening. I also found his thesis on phrasing in double jigs - beginning with the last (2) quaver(s) of the previous bar - interesting and playing through a few double jigs on the whistle using that type of phrasing was a good exercise. The variations on rolls alone, as illustrated in the Willie Clancy files and figures, provides a good body of variation possibilities to play around with, so…onwards and upwards.

Cheers,

DavidG

I’d just like to throw in, from a personal perspective, imagination yes, but also boredom - or to put it differently, extreme familiarity with the tune you mess with. I also think there’s a difference in the Irish tradition between “written” and evolved tunes. I wouldn’t personally mess much with tunes I see as having been “composed” - the butterfly being a prime example (and also just about the only tune I know the name of). Play what you think sounds good, and if other people don’t like it, play on your own! Don’t do it in a session though . .