Dear Chiffers,
I would be grateful for your help in naming a number of tunes that I have listed in my myspace site.
Link is http://www.myspace.com/pmcglinchey
Many thanks,
Paul
paul, name of jig (track 13) is the second victory.
marin
paul ,name of mazurka is jackie donnan’s.this one is from g, although his more famous mazurka is one from d.
marin
paul, reel no. 6 is living in decency ( na dorsa called it that), or other name jer quiqley’s.
marin
paul,name of slip jig is the cock and the hen. someone called it rayan’s or the northern jig.
marin
p.s. does it all deserve one signed piece of your new album?
track1 jig - hardiman’s http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/3321
track6 reel - moving in decency http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/3259
Marin,
Your knowledge is very impressive!
And, yes, thanks for your help, I’ll send you one when it is completed (but don’t hold your breath!!, I’m very slow). Send me a PM with our address.
Paul
And Rama,
Many thanks too!
Paul
brilliant stuff paul! love it.
oops! my bad the track1 jig is hardiman’s http://www.thesession.org/tunes/display/3321
( got the 2 mixed up, i play them in a set, edited my previous post)
paul, thanks a lot for your offer..!
marin
Hi Paul - the “Flings” you recorded. The first one is called “The Drummer”, or in Scotland, sometimes, “The Piper Of Dundee”, as there are the words of a song to go along with it. The same tune also turned up in a recording I have of traditional music from Denmark, [ “Masquerade” by “ULC Quintet” ] where it was called “Drommeren”, althought that seems to mean “Dreamer”. The sleeve notes say they got the tune from a manuscript collection from the 18th century. It was played on the recording by guest musician Liam O’Flynn on whistle.
Your 2nd fling there was recorded by Fermanagh flute and whistle player Larry Nugent on his first CD. It was one of a set called “The Four Provinces Flings”.
I’ll try to fill in the rest, but the guys here have probably done it all by now.
Track 10 reel is “The New Found Out” - recorded by the Mulcahys, alias “Seamus Connolly’s”, recorded by “Fisherstreet”. I always believed this great reel was a close relative to “The Wind That Shakes The Barley”.
01Track1 - was recorded by “De Danann” on “The Star Spangled Molly” as “Conlan’s”.
I’m going to stick my neck out and disagree slightly with Marin about the mazurka. Jackie Donnan may well have played it, but I think an older name for it might be “The Barnacle Redowa”. It was recorded by the Leeds Irish band “Iona” in 1978 - thier flute player was George Ormiston. I think there was a bit of discussion about this tune over at “the session.org” a few years back .
kenny, could be true…
i learnt those mazurkas from workshop recording of gary hastings, where he played both jackie doonan’s mazurkas as set.
gary called it jackie doonan’s mazurkas, therefore i call it a same …
take care, marin
Just out of interest, here is me in a grump and frozen to death in darkest North Wales (Mr TheFlute’s arcane lair) playing the Barnacle, with Napper Tandy before it, so that my other pal Roly could learn the things. There was a discussion on these forums at the time about these tunes, as I didn’t know the tune names.
[edited to add] … oh, and apologies for sneaking in here playing the wrong instrument.
Yeah, I larnificated 'em off The Grump and did a clip of 'em myself, with added waltz. I can’t view Paul’s clips just now - will later, but the first one Ben plays is Napper Tandy - #164 in vol III of The Roche Collection, and The Barnacle is #152 in the same source. Technically they are redowas, not mazurkas.
P.S. - home now and at the 'puter - enjoyed your Myspace clips, Paul - but can’t help with the names. Have you tried using tunepal?
Thanks to you all for your help, just a couple left outstanding as unnamed.
I heard one of the reels on an old cassette (it had a red cover) by PJ Hernon many years ago, but can’t find my copy now.
Jem, we’re very insular in this part of Ireland, can you tell me what a redowa is?
Best wishes,
Paul
Paul, Denny has linked what I would have - if you also Google “mazurka” (also and another) you’ll get the drift… I have also seen some dance instruction clips on YouTube (How to do a redowa step & Redowa dance) which demonstrate the steps/differences… From a player’s point of view, though, there’s not too much difference, I think - they’re just brisk waltz-derivatives/relatives and the dancers can probably do them to any suitably paced 3/4 tune. They may ideally require specific beat emphases, but I doubt an Irish set dancing a mazurka would object to these tunes!
The varsovienne and polka-redowa and mazurka-waltz are all related… No. I’m not a dance geek - just had previous occasion to look these up, as Ben implied above.
“Napper Tandy” Mazurka, or Redowa (with the B music marked “Waltz time” and “The Barnacle” Redowa is how they are titled in Roche and they are listed under “Old Dances” in the index of the Roche collection 3-in-1 volume book (Ossian Publications 1982 ISBN 0946005052 - but seemingly Out of Print - not available on Amazon save for expensive 2nd hand).
See also The Fiddlers Companion - just about the best online resource for background info on ITM and related tunes (but you do have to know a title first!):
http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/BARN_BB.htm#BARNACLE_(WALTZ)
http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/NA.htm#NAPPER_TANDY
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one and only, ben hall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQysGy3fAvw …
marin