Getting started

Hi folks!
I was in Ireland a few years ago and brought home a Feadog tin whistle. I never really learned to play it though! I’ve learned how to create the different pitches and I’ve learned a few simple songs, such as Spancil Hill, Be Thou my vision, and some Swedish stuff. But the thing is, I never learned anything higher than the 4th hole (the higher tone there), it sounds too bad… and never learned anything about how I’m supposed to blow in it, or different techniques.

How do I get started? I have a little instructional book but it doesn’t help much, I want to hear how it’s supposed to sound too.
Do you have any advice on what I should start with and how to reach the higher pitches without sounding like a sick cat?


God bless,
Susanne

Välkom (?), Mandolinflicka.

Since you haven’t had any reactions, let me suggest that you do a few thread searches with the words “newbie” (this is a North-American-based website!) or even “beginner”. When you’ve absorbed some of their content, feel free to come back and post any questions on anything you need clarification on.


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An Pluiméir Ceolmhar

[ This Message was edited by: Roger O’Keeffe on 2002-12-09 11:34 ]

What really worked for me was getting a teacher - and it can be any teacher for whistle/recorder/flute because they’ll teach you breath control, correct fingering, etc. It will make a big difference and iron out any bad habits before they take root. That squeaky sound is all to do with breath control (or rather, lack of), so it’s worth getting hold of a teacher.

[ This Message was edited by: nickt on 2002-12-09 06:20 ]

One thing, though…Feadogs tend to screech until they’ve been tweaked. Do a search for “tweak” and follow the instructions and your Feadog will sound much better.

Hi Suzanne and welcome to the board,

If you bought your Feadog a few years ago, it’s almost certainly a Mark II head. Does it rise to a bump just below the window? Then it’s a Mark II or even Mark I. That’s not to say it’s unplayable, but the company have developed a new head (we call it Mark III) in the past year, which is easier to blow, and produces a cleaner sound to my ear.

Have you moved the head to get the whistle in tune? If you have an electronic tuner for your mandolin, try the whistle against it, it’s almost certainly sharp.

Blow a G (3 fingers down), and then move the head out a little (up to a centimetre) and try again. You may need to loosen the head first & remove any glue sticking it to the body. Dip the head in hot (not boiling) water for 10-30 seconds & try to twist it off, holding both parts in a tea towel.

Interesting, I had no clue it was possible to move the head…Yeah, there is a little bump before the hole, so probably it’s that kind Mark II as you said…so there are newer whistles easier to blow? And I’m not off to Ireland for a long time yet.. Well, I guess it’s not bad to learn on a hard-to-blow whistle anyway.
Thanks for the advice, I’ll try the mandolin tuner (that is actually a guitar tuner) and see how it goes.
About a teacher…not easy at all. No whistlers around here. But actually, our choir leader, and a girl I know too, plays the other flute (called “flauto traverso” in Italian, do you know what I mean?) very well, maybe he could give me some advice on blowing techniques.
Gosh, the mandolin seems much easier!! I didn’t think the whistle could be difficult after I had learned the first things. But it ain’t just blowing and smiling, there’s a lot more…
I have a Generation F whistle that is much easier to play, but a whistling friend in Canada said the smaller whistles are always easier. Should I learn on that one instead or is it better to learn on the D whistle?

I’ll go through the search thing and see what I find.
Can I be sure the whistle doesn’t get hurt by a little bath? (to move the head, if needed)

Thank you folks for your comments. It’s great to have a place to talk about the whistle. There is a wonderful place, mandolin café, to discuss mandolin topics and I really appreciate that, so I was delighted to find this board for the whistle!

Have a great day, folks!

Defective, the whistle was awfully sharp!!! If my mando ever was that sharp, the strings would be non-existing! So now I have to give my Feadog a nice little shower.

[ This Message was edited by: Mandolingirl on 2002-12-09 10:11 ]

Another thought, if a teacher isn’t readily available to you.

There are some resources on the web. Brother](http://www.rogermillington.com/siamsa/brosteve/%22%3EBrother) Steve’s Page is very good, and I believe there are other on-line tutorials as well that may be geared more toward beginners.

A good book or two, with accompanying CDs, can be almost as good as a teacher, especially if you already read music. Many here recommend the Bill Ochs book as a good one for a beginner. You can buy these on-line as well…many traditional music shops have on-line catalogs. A couple I can think of right off are The](http://www.thewhistleshop.com/%22%3EThe) Whistle Shop in the U.S. and Shanna](http://www.shannaquay.com/%22%3EShanna) Quay in Ireland. Both accept credit cards, which takes care of any money conversion issues.

BTW, if your Feadog simply isn’t acceptable, you can also buy a different whistle on-line at either of these shops, or any of the others that have on-line catalogs.

Happy whistling!

Redwolf

The flute you mentioned in English is “transverse flute” - it’s likely that any flautist will at some stage have started on a recorder or whistle of some kind (ie a fippled wind-blown instrument), and if not, will still be able to help to some extent. Have a chat with your flute friend.

Also, the Feadog is not really the best (nor is Generation, Walton, etc), and there are several posters on this site who’ve offered “I thought it was me till I upgraded my whistle” comments. You could do no wrong investing an extra few SEKs on something like a Dixon or Susato which will give better results (check 'em on the web links others have provided).

Having once tweaked a mandolin, I can tell you that whistling is a lot easier once you get going, so don’t give up!

After Bro. Steve’s site you should also check out DazedinLA’s Whistle Annex site - it’s a facility for beginners created by a regular contributor to C&F and you’ll find it here:
http://www.geocities.com/whistleannex/index.html


An PluiméirCeolmhar

[ This Message was edited by: Roger O’Keeffe on 2002-12-09 11:18 ]

On 2002-12-09 11:11, nickt wrote:
The flute you mentioned in English is “transverse flute” - it’s likely that any flautist will at some stage have started on a recorder or whistle of some kind (ie a fippled wind-blown instrument), and if not, will still be able to help to some extent. Have a chat with your flute friend.

Also, the Feadog is not really the best (nor is Generation, Walton, etc), and there are several posters on this site who’ve offered “I thought it was me till I upgraded my whistle” comments. You could do no wrong investing an extra few SEKs on something like a Dixon or Susato which will give better results (check 'em on the web links others have provided).

Having once tweaked a mandolin, I can tell you that whistling is a lot easier once you get going, so don’t give up!

I haven’t played a Dixon (yet!), though I’ve heard they’re good whistles for beginners. I don’t know if I’d recommend a Susato for a beginner though. Aside from the loudness issue, that upper octave takes a lot of breath control to “hold,” and can be awfully piercing.

On the upside, they are generally in tune, so that’s a plus.

Redwolf

I hesitated about saying this, but I agree that a Susato is not the best choice for a beginner.

Mandolingirl, your problem may be due to nothing more than not covering some of the holes properly, or there could be a little excess plastic (I think they call it “flashing”!) in the area of the windway - or maybe even a bit of fluff from the bottom of a pocket or a drawer, as once happened me with a Generation.

Mandolingirl…a couple more quick notes.

First I reread your message and saw that you have a Generation F that you find a little easier to blow. If that whistle sounds good to you, there’s no reason you can’t use it to learn on. It will be more piercing in the second octave than the D, but if it’s not squeaky, it will still be easier on your ears than a squeaky, leaky D.

A D is usually recommended for two reasons: 1) most traditional music is written in keys easily played on a D whistle and 2) because of that, sheet music and tutorials for the whistle assume you have a D. If you’re not playing with other musicians, the first isn’t a problem for you, and the second can be easily got around by thinking in terms of finger placement rather than pitch (easiest to do if you don’t have perfect pitch). In other words, assume that, when all your fingers are down, you’re playing a D note (even if you know intellectually that it’s a F), and finger the written notes accordingly. One of the nice things about whistles is that you can use the same fingerings to play songs in different keys simply by switching to a different whistle :slight_smile:

A few notes on “blowing” (I’m assuming here that you don’t play any other wind instrument), based on what I’ve seen other beginners do wrong:

First, you don’t blow the whistle so much as you breath into it. In other words, don’t blow each individual note…instead, take a good, deep breath from the diaphragm as you would if you were singing and release it slowly and gently into the whistle, playing an entire phrase (or two, if they’re short phrases) before taking another breath. As you get into playing more complicated tunes, you will want to be thinking about where in the tune you will want to place the breaths so as to interrupt the flow of the music as little as possible…again, just as you would if you were singing.

Second: There are several ways you can articulate the individual notes. The most commonly used by beginners is tonguing. You place your tongue up behind your teeth and whisper the syllable “too.” Try it without the whistle first…just sing a scale “too, too, too, too, too, too, too, too.” Now try it without singing…just whisper it. Next try it with the whistle, playing up the scale, whispering “too” for each note (be careful not to let your tongue touch the instrument). That’s tonguing.

In reality, you won’t want to tongue every note when you’re playing a tune. Most traditional music is very legato. A good rule of thumb is to tongue the first note of a tune, the first note after a rest, and the first note of a run. Otherwise, you only tongue if you want a more staccato sound (you can even make a note VERY staccato by whispering “toot” instead of “too,” using the tongue both to start and stop the note), or if a note seems to need the particular emphasis.

The other way to articulate a note is by using ornaments, particularly grace notes. I’ll leave it to Brother Steve’s site to explain these, and to your own ear (once you’ve done a lot of listening to good traditional music) to decide when it’s appropriate. Irish music in particular relies heavily on ornamentation, and the correct use is best learned by listening.

Getting a good sound in the second octave depends on breath control more than anything else. You need to breath more forcefully to get the higher notes, and how forcefully depends on the individual whistle. Some are very sensitive…they will squawk if you overblow and drop down to the lower octave if you underblow (my Feadog is like that, and my Susato is even worse in that respect). You may want to practice playing slow scales up into the second octave to get a feel for just how much breath it takes to get a good, clean note up there…after that, it’s a matter of practicing in order to get a smooth transition (note: this is something you’ll probably need to practice with every new whistle you get, as they really can vary widely in how easily they make that second-octave transition).

Finally, when practicing tunes, work hard on getting the notes and timing correct…don’t worry about speed (even if the tune’s supposed to be a fast one). If you go for speed too quickly, you will begin to make mistakes that can rapidly become habits. Better a reel played well at half speed than one played quickly with a lot of mistakes!

One final note: You may already know this, but just in case…don’t hold the mouthpiece in your teeth! (I mention it because I see the kids in recorder class biting their windways almost to a one). Hold it between your lips :slight_smile:

Hope this is of some help.

Redwolf

On 2002-12-09 11:33, Roger O’Keeffe wrote:
I hesitated about saying this, but I agree that a Susato is not the best choice for a beginner.

Well, even though it was me who mentioned the Susato, I happen to agree with the above quote. Of Dixon and Susato, I would always get a Dixon, but I suppose I was trying to be fair and open minded in respect of those who prefer Susato (not so many I imagine).

Redwolf - great post, very helpful for any beginner.

I actually do own a Susato, and I like it, but it is a tricky instrument, particularly in that second octave, which is why I recommend against it for a beginner. For a more experienced player it can be a nice choice, if you like the unique sound (I do, but it’s definitely different, and not likely to appeal to everybody). One nice thing about Susato is the quality control appears to be very high…getting and keeping it in tune is NOT one of the problems I’ve encountered. It’s the high breath requirements and the fiddly nature of the upper octave that would make me reluctant to recommend it to a beginner.

Redwolf

Thank you all for comments and links! Redwolf, you have explained everything so well!!! I’ve read quite a few explanations on whistles and how to do things on the whistles, but I’ve never really understood what they meant. But now I finally do understand. Thanks a lot!!!

Maybe I should look for another D whistle. But I’ll try to bathe my Feadog first and see what happens. Next summer I may be going to a whistle workshop and I suppose it’s good to have a functioning D whistle then.

I actually have a Bill Ochs book, bought it a few years ago but haven’t used it much yet, I’ve played mostly by ear. I’ll see what he says too and go visit those websites too.

BTW, what exactly is a run on the whistle?

On 2002-12-09 16:42, Mandolingirl wrote:
BTW, what exactly is a run on the whistle?

Same as in choral music…a run up or down the scale.

Glad I could help :slight_smile:

Redwolf

Ha Ha, Here I am lurking away again and learning somemore stuff. You are something Redwolf. Thanks. Today when I got back from a little ride with Molly I took out all my whistles and lined them up and played two tunes on each. I have a couple of Sweetones D and C an Oak in D a meg in C a Clark old style in C a Gen in Bb and my little black guinness whistle whitch I forget who makes.
After I played the two tunes I knew pretty well I tried a tune I am just trying to learn. Now each of these whistles sound completly different but that little black guinness whistle is the easest, sweetest little cridder I have. As far as learning new songs this is the one for me. Hardly any breath in either octave, very quite and tolerent. So I learn a tune on it and then play it on the other louder more fun whistles.
Now I`m checking my mail box dailey for my Dixon combo Low D. Yes I have the desease

Tom

Blackbeer,

The Guiness (and the normal LBW) are made by Waltons in Ireland. Waltons make other whistles similar to Generations & Feadogs too, plus the Waltons Mello D which is favoured by some.

The Guiness is supposed to be no different to a normal LBW (with a black fipple) except in colouring, but I’ve heard before that they can be really nice. I tried one once that I bought to give as a gift, and it was fine. My own LBW is a tad sharp in the bellnote which is why I tend not to play it.

You may be interested to know that Andrea Corr is noted for favouring Waltons LBWs, probably because they’re very cheap (the cheapest whistle till the Meg came along?) and she keeps losing them or giving them away.

Oh, to have a whistle touched by the lips of AC, droool.