Flute Question - Muramatsu

I normally frequent the Uilleann Pipe forum but I also play some ITM on both wooden and steel flutes.

I am wondering if anybody can help with a Muramatsu flute I just bought? Its’s an older model and I’m trying to determine the model type, approximate age and potential value. All I have right now is the serial number z8985. I’ve tried lookling for SN lists on te web but am having no luck with the Muramatsus.

Can anybody shed any light on this? The flute needs some TLC but is certainly a “looker” even in its neglected state.

Thanks in advance,

Sean

Why not just shoot an e-mail to Muramatsu America? They mention their SN database on the website, and it looks like they’d be happy to help.

http://www.muramatsu-america.com/

I’ll give you $50, sight unseen.

Hey, that’s only half of what I paid for it at the local Thrift Store. I’m thinking I got a really good deal :open_mouth: . All it needs is a needs a bit of shining and fine tuning but no cosmetic damage and all key action seems nice and smooth.

Yeah, I think you got a pretty good price, as such things go. :smiley:

I wouldn’t do too much to it yourself until you hear back from Muramatsu and find out what you’ve really got, there.

–James

I sent an email off to Muramatsu. What’s intersting is that all othe models I’ve seen have the SN stamped under the company name/logo where the headjoint fits. But mine has the SN on one of the the small tabs that is used to attach the keywork (rail, I’d call it) to the flute body. Also all other SN’s I’ve found are 5 digits wheras mine in Z8985. ome of the keys definetely have the appearance of being handcrafted too - they are not so perfect as those machine made. The more I look at the instrment the more I really like it - I just bought it on my lunch break and I’ve spent all afternoon here in my office looking at it and looking up stuff on it.

Some keys have a rough-ish texture to the tarnish. Suggestions or leave that to the pros?

By the way, its open holed with no B foot. Solid silver headjoint with “fancy” engravings on the knurls.

Sean

Some keys have a rough-ish texture to the tarnish. Suggestions or leave that to the pros?

I would recommend waiting until you hear back from Muramatsu before starting any major work on this flute.

Concerning the rough-feeling tarnish, you may be describing corrosion (where metal is actually eaten away) as opposed to tarnish (where all the metal is still there, just oxidized and thus discolored). If the metal is corroding, I would recommend getting the help of an experienced repair person. The corrosion will have to be removed or it will continue to erode the metal beneath it. This is not really a do-it-yourself-at-home job, in my experience. It’s very easy to accidentally damage keywork by overzealous polishing, as just one example of many things which could go badly wrong.

–James

Just heard back from Muramatsu (that was quick) - I’ve already got’em stumped on the SN. Most don’t have a letter to begin with it and they are generally located on the body tube - not like mine. I’ve sent back some more info and hopefully will hear something back.

As for the keys, its almost looks llike a satin/pewter finish! It doesn’t really look like corrrosion of the finish, per se.

Sean

Could it be a knock-off? I suppose Muramatsu would know about those, too.

If it’s a knock off - it’s a darn fine job. I’m thinking if you be replicating you’d put the SN in the same spot as well - or not have one at all. It aslo came in a Muramatsu case with Muramatsu cleaning stick :slight_smile:

The craftsmanship is evident in this instrument. The keyword is much nice than on my semi-pro Gemeinhardt.

I’m waiting to hear back from Muramatsu again.

In the meantime, it appears that one key is slightly out of adjustment - just out so that it can’t be played. An ever-so- slight turn on of the one adj screws and she’ll be good to go.

Sean

Maybe this one is very old…

Is there any way you could post some pics of this flute?

Thanks.

–James

Here are the ones I sent along to Muramatsu:

Where the SN normally is

The SN

The whole deal

Hmmm… It doesn’t look anything like a Muramatsu to me.

To me they generally have a distinctive raised and pointed rib connection to the key work.

Now… I know little about these particular flutes so I did some searching and I have found that isn’t always the case.

Unless there was someone out there making Muramatsu knock-off what I think what you may have is an export model from the early 70’s

Here are some images:

How do these jive with that you have?

My pictures do not do the flute justice. The ones you posted have the exact same keys as the one I have - just a lot less shiny.

I thought of a knockoff but I can’t find any reference to fake Muramatsus or knockoffs.

the mystery continues . . .

Well there seems to be a dearth of Muramatsu info and history at least on the English speaking side of the net.

At least you know there is another like yours out there. The serial number placement is different that yours though.

The case, crown and names look right but the rest doesn’t. If you are have the means to make a flute faking the markings and crown are nothing.

Doesn’t mean that its a fake though.

Muramatsu would have to know something.

I’ll keep digging.

I don’t see a reason yet to assume it’s a fake…although I’m no expert on Muramatsu flutes. I’ve gotten to try one a couple of different times, and I liked them, and that’s about the limit of what I personally can say about them.

Sir James plays them and, in the world of the Boehm-system flute, that’s a strong recommendation.

–James

No, but it IS very odd.

I didn’t say you need to assume its a fake BTW.

I just said you could do something like this rather simply if you had the means of flute production already.

The fact that Muramatsu flutes are so well regarded and expensive is the prime motive to forge a name stamp a crown and a case.


Its very possible that Muramatsu broke into the 1975 US market with some really economical flutes.

I dunno.

But I’m cynical.

At any rate 25 bucks for a flute (assuming its not plated silver) and if it plays well you can’t beat that deal.

I’d give him 55 bucks just to beat out Doug.

:smiling_imp:

If it turns out to be real it may be very rare.

It might be Muramatsu’s red headed stepchild

My apologies in advance to our ginger headed Chiffers.

:smiley:

Take a good look at the posts coming up from the ribbing on the Muramatsu reference photograph.

The post has a unique shape.

Now take a good look at the rib and post on the unknown flute.

Seems like it would be awfully expensive to fake one to that level of detail.

–James

Edited to fix two typos.




I can guess how would describe this image.

:smiley: