double chanters

Who plays double chantered pipes? I mean as in Julian Goodacre’s Cornish ones, or Italian Zampognas, or, heaven forbid, Sardinian Launeddas, that are not bagpipes at all, unless you count the player’s cheeks as a bag, and as a result this post will be closed as not applying. That was a long incoherent sentence.
Anyway, if you play any of these, what do you play?

I play a set of Goodacre Cornish double pipes in D. My set can be either mouth or bellows blown.

And I know there’s a zampogna player around here somewhere (c’mon ChasR, 'fess up!) :smiley:

And let’s not forget Ted Anderson.

Sean Folsom too. Never thought of zamps as double chanters though…seems like those are in one stick of wood…or two canes stuck together in a…yoke, I think is Baines’s term.
I’ve played Irish double chanters, dare I mention? Never one that played for squat at the time though.
Is it Croatian pipes that have triple and even quadruple chanters? Influenced the Hungarians they say…read about that at the Wikipedia Magar Dudya article…ack, sp?
Those East European pipes are easy to assemble/whittle out in some cases. Lash some bamboo tubes together and you’ve got a (bag)pipe.

I have a double chanter for Scottish Smallpipes in the Key of A. It’s quite a handful especially since therre are two seperate reeds and they don’t always match completely. The sound produced really makes my dogs howel!

ME! ME! ME!

I’ve got Julian Goodacre Cornish Pipes in D and G, and a Hamish Moore SSP double chanter in D.

Also, I measured an uilleann pipes double chanter made by M. Dunn (around 1825 at my best estimate/guess, as well as the opinions of people I consulted) about 10 years ago. One of these days I intend to reproduce it.

whaddya doin ta me? Nabbed! :astonished:
Hey Ive been kinda busy past week or so :party:

We’re (Zampognari di Filadelfia)putting out a CD next Oct, just in time for the Columbus day rush. They cant get enough of us in Gloucester CO + South Philly. :thumbsup:

Ted + Sean are on here too (I’ve counted about 12 or so Zampognari stateside…are there more?) Leo Bottari, Brian Steeger, who else???

Hornpipes are the yoke-jobs, right? :confused:
Theres also a really good Duda player on here, (Nemeth Miklos?) google ‘galgadudazenekar’ …

Altho I’d love :heart: to hear one of those double chantered UP’s in person;

I really think Id make a concious(sic) decision to avoid at all costs the double chanterd ssp. :boggle: :open_mouth:

Sorry Kevin I forgot to mention; they’re calling it a blocco these days.

Now that we got rolling, the second half of the question. What (as in what music) do you play? By the way, are there any zampogna music collections out there? (as in sheet music) (It seems in English I have to clarify every other word)

The best source for printed zamp music is Utriculus, the mag published by Circolo 4 x yearly. Antonietta Caccia (Signora La Presidente) has said to me there arent much printed musics. There used to be a method book 4/S herehttp://www.zampogna.ch/itineranti.htm but its gone, or blocked, now.

There’s several ‘standard’ tunes, (Tu Scende Della Stella; Piva, Piva; some Novenas, etc). Tunes are aurally spread. There’s a great deal of improv too. Like some baroque, there’s a lot of ‘divisions over a ground’ sort of thing going on. Some Zampognari are pushing the envelope with their groups + playing recently, its a pretty happening scene.(Un sceno happenario?)

The way its been related to me is that after WWII there were less than 10 craftsmen making zampogne in Italy + Sicily; :cry: the instrument underwent a redesign in the 50’s-60’s (after all those horrible out of tune historical recordings by Lomax) :imp: + the current generation is reaping the benefits of that. Kids are really latching onto it, so I hear. Even so, researchers are still finding ‘one-off’ regional types of zampogna. For instance, they’re talking about a single-reeded 1 or 2 droned keyless Molise-type in the current Utriculus, endemic to just a few towns south of Isernia.

I must by now sound like a walking commercial for the Circolo, but they have a double DVD out which has much more zampogna music than the reccomended daily allowance.

well, I’ll add my name as the possessor of a zampogna, though I don’t get to play it much, unless my wife is out of the house…I’m still trying to work out how to use it with Scottish musicians - vamping on arpeggios is where I am beginning.

I got mine from this address:
http://www.anciamanovella.com/page-gb.php3?url=cartsystem/carrello/view-dettagliogb.php3&codice=25

Deiv doesn’t make them himself, but he does prepare them for sale, and mine played right out of the box. The chanter notes were even in tune! Plastic reeds and bag, too, and turned from lovely olive wood, so very reasonable at the price Deiv charges.

One day soon I’ll manage to play “Drops of Brandy” on it!

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oops

I just checked the maker’s website - the price has gone up: I paid less than 500 Euros last year.

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My Zampogna is by Luigi Ricci also, I have to say, it is one of the few pipes which have ever played relatively in tune for me right out of the box.
Is your bordone E-Eb-D, or E-D?
I’m curious, also, is the bag gore-tex?
(Hope its not an innertube!-theyre the worst!)

Lemme see if this works:
Interesting, isnt he?

Kintailpipes, is your double chantered set consisting of two equal chanters, or is it one of those on the lines of the Talbot MS? The kind that has the lower 4 fingerholes only for the right hand pipe? And is it a new one or a really old one?

So finally got registered as well… :slight_smile:
Except for all the Oriental and Caucasian doublechanter-sets (which Baines stupidly called “hornpipes” :swear: - You might better call them “mediterranian-caucasian-type”, since many of these instruments, from Georgia over Turkey, Near-East, Greece, Balcan and, if You will, even the French Boha, have the same typology: no drones, mouthblown, idioglott singlereeds and, well - doublechanters :wink: ) and different Zampognas, I have a very simple copy of the early Italian sordellina made by Steffen Fischer (Germany), a kind of doublechanter-smallpipe. It’s not the late, bellows-blown, keyed type, but the early, keyless, one-droned mouthblown type. Two same-lenghted chanters, (recorder-) chromatic fingering in C. Veeery easy to play. Since one octave + 1 tone (high d) are split onto two chanters (bit like Sicillian “Zampogna a paro”), You can begin by playing any recorder-melody as usual, then, when more courageous, try to accompany Yourself on the chanter not needed for the part of melody You play at that moment. I did quite some Breton and Scottish stuff this way, some churchhymns as well. The bad thing is: Being very quiet and in C, it’s useless if You want to play with others - and used to “normal” bagpipe-fingering, having the Tonic on the pinkie always gets me out… :tomato:

I play a Julian Goodacre Cornish Doublepipe in D. It has a huge long drone.

As for what I play, unlike a lot of people who use their Cornish pipes for generic Renaissance music, I mostly play Cornish tunes, plus a number of Irish and Scottish tunes which I already happen to know from playing the uilleann pipes and the GHB.

I used to have a double-chanter Northumbrian Smallpipe. It was pretty cool. The advantage of the NSP is that it uses closed fingering, so that a double chanter sounds identical to a normal single chanter when played normally, but you can play both chanters simultaneously at will. There’s a photo in the “photos of your pipes” thread.

I’ve often thought about having a double Scottish Smallpipe made. What’s great about GHB fingering is that either one hand or the other is always fingering low A, that is if the chanter for the upper hand lacks the B, C#, and D holes and the chanter for the lower hand lacks the high A, high G, F#, and E holes. Whenever upper-hand notes are being played the lower hand is fingering low A, whenever lower-hand notes are being played the other chanter would be sounding low A, so that such a chanter-pair would sound a continuous low A drone without the player having to think about it or alter his normal fingerings. Then, at will, both chanters could be brought into play at once for harmony. I’m very close to having somebody make me this thing. My idea is that it would have no drones at all, like Julian’s normal Cornish doublepipes.

WOW!! :astonished:
Clergy with a bechonnet!!!
Nice looking inlay, celtpastor!!
Who made your instrument???

As I happen to know that our clergyman is rather busy at the moment, I’m answering in his stead…
This instrument was made by Reinhard Zielonka from Rixdorf in the north of Germany. The workmanship is superb, and the sound of theninstrument is excellent, although a bit on the quiet side (for my taste).

Thanx, Mick! Yep, it IS a bit on the quiet side, mostly the drones. But the bassdrone somehow wonderfully consonates the fifth as well, I just LOOOOVE that sound :slight_smile:
@pancelticpiper: That’s just about what I am searching for as well - but why would You want to have it without drones? :confused: