This is another, “Regardless of your politics” thread - maybe 
. In a few days, an intelligent, dedictated black woman will be touring Europe as a representative of the United States. As I grew up, I was taught to be blind to color, but I’m not so blind that I can’t see the step that this is for the United States.
Erik
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I think Dr. Rice knows how Justice Thomas feels, in some small way.
And I agree - this is a huge step forward for the US, in many ways.
She brings some heavy-duty credentials to the job, to wit:
Dr. Condoleeza Rice was born on November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama. She entered the University of Denver at age 15 and graduated in 1974 with a bachelor’s degree in political science. Rice then went on to earn a master’s degree from the University of Notre Dame in 1975 and a doctorate Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. Dr. Rice has also received honorary doctorates from Morehouse College, the University of Alabama, and the University of Notre Dame.
Dr. Rice joined the faculty at Stanford University in 1981, where she initially served as a fellow in the arms control and disarmament program. She went on to become a tenured professor in the university’s political science department. Dr. Rice received several teaching distinctions during in her time at Stanford. In 1984, she won the Walter J. Gores Award for Excellence in Teaching and in 1993, she was awarded the School of Humanities and Sciences Dean’s Award for Distinguished Teaching. She also served as a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control and as a fellow of both the Institute for International Studies and the Hoover Institution. Rice ended a six year tenure as the University’s provost in 1999.
Dr. Rice has written several books, including “Germany Unified and Europe Transformed” (1995) with Philip Zelikow, “The Gorbachev Era” (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and “Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army” (1984).
Hmmm, yes her color/sex combined is unprecidented. That being said you should never reward someone for having horrible idealogy and horrible policies. Now back to the race thing, I wonder how many of her fellow african americans are happy to have her there. She’s less black than Colin Powell.
Lets not forget that she had an oil tanker named after her and lets not forget who her friends are.
Her remarkable achievments and intellect aside,
a Bushophile by any other race or gender…
Question. Is she considered a neocon?
It’s a milestone certainly but surely it would be of greater significance if it was an elected post. That would show acceptance by the general public much more than an appointment.
At least her detractors can’t say she only got the job because of her race or gender. Whatever else you may think of her there’s no way she’s a ‘token’ anything.
Responding, (I think,) to Erik’s original point…yes. There are aspects of this situation which could work for the good, and help start to rub out some gender and ethnicity biases.
Does anyone have the recipe for Condi Rice?
Please define black.
from: http://www2.cddc.vt.edu/gutenberg/etext05/7blgn10.txt
RIZ CONDE
For one and one-half pints of milk half a breakfast-cupful of rice. Let
it boil with sugar and vanilla; strain the whole. Add one-half pint of
cream, well beaten, five leaves of gelatine (melted). Mix the whole and
pour in a mold which has been wet. When turned out of the mold, put
apricots or other fruit on the top. Pour the juice over all.
RICE A LA CONDE
Simmer the rice in milk till it is tender, sweeten it, and add, for a
medium-sized mold, the yolks of two eggs. Let it thicken a little, and
stir in pieces of pineapple. Pour it into a mold, and let it cool. Turn
it out when it has well set, and decorate with crystallized fruits. Pour
round it a thin apricot syrup.
I wondered when the racism would surface.
Yeah, I was pretty floored when I heard this. What it sounds like they’re saying is that, in order to be black, you can’t be:
a) smart
b) successful
c) powerful.
She’s smart, successful, and powerful, but she’s also ugly, wrong, and dangerous.
Being black has nothing to do with any of it.
That’s kind of hateful, isn’t it?
MurphyStout wrote, “Now back to the race thing, I wonder how many of her fellow african americans are happy to have her there. She’s less black than Colin Powell.” Race is exactly what we’re talking about here.
I’m still waiting on a definition of black.
Yes.
Hmmmm, you guys read something into that comment that wasn’t intended to be there. Thurgood Marshall was black, Malcolm X was black, MLK was black.
I am in no a racist so don’t try to say I am.
Condi Rice is kinda like an Irishman taking sides with and working with England during the time of england’s opression. She in no way supports or defends her fellow africians americans. Show me one thing that she has done to better the plight of her fellow African Americans? I can list 20 things out there that she has done to worsen things or maintain the status quo as a result of her actions or of those she works for. Is she for education and improving ghetto neighborhoods? No, she is for blowing money on blowing up people which feeds her own agenda and the corperate pockets that she is in league with.
Yes, she is a extremely smart and “successful” person and that doesn’t make her less black. What makes her less black is the fact that she has turned her back on her people.
Yes, I believe she is considered a neocon. But as I’ve said before I think labelling people is a bad idea because it those terms just are applicable in todays world… liberal, conservative and the rest of the lot should just be thrown out the window. The day you show me a true conservative in the senate is the day I’ll show you a true liberal in the senate. Not going to happen anytime soon.
cmon now, she’s a fox!
I take my first amendment right seriously! If an opinion is held it should be stated. Philisophical objective debate requires that opinions and ideas be shared freely cause how do you know if you’re right if you haven’t heard every side of the story? Ideas are just like scientific theories. They need to be approached and investigated from all sides. That’s how theories and ideas are made. If you only heard one opinion on a matter does make it right?
So saying I’m a F*cking racist is absolutely wrong. But I’ll be damned if I keep my mouth shut cause somebody might be offended. Saying there are too many immigrants in California might offend somebody but is in necesarily wrong? Saying ProIsreal voices have an undo influence in this country to influence politics because Jewish CEO’s run companies like MTV, CBS, VIACOM, and NBC to name a few, might offend somebody but does that make it any less true? (It might however explain this countries political dealings and public opinion with regards to Isreal)
What I’m saying is that i have friends of all races and I embrace everybody equally but that is completely diffent to expressing ideas and opinions of which I may or not believe in myself. Now proove me wrong and I’ll be the first guy to jump up and admit it.
Philisophical, objective debates cannot be held in an ethnocentric environment. YOu must take any idea and deal with it objective regardless of personal opinions and/or feelings.