C&F as a "Third Place"

I was recently sent to an article (via Slashdot) that discussed the idea
of a “third space” (the home away from your home away from home).
Click here for the article (I’ll only quote parts of it here, I hope that’s
Kosher vis-a-vis the copyright rules…)

Anyway, according to the article, the Places in your life are lined up by
the level of community experienced. So, the First Place is your home,
the Second Place is work (or where ever you get most of your social
interaction outside of your home), then the Third Place is somewhere
you can socialize comfortably outside of home and work. Since the
idea was proposed by the founder of Starbucks, I assume that a
coffee house would be an example of a Third Place for some people.
For others, it might be a bar with a familiar crowd, or maybe church.

The article in question was exploring the possibility that MMORPGs
(online video games like Everquest or World of Warcraft) would
qualify as Third Places for many players. Eight characteristics were
applied to the world of gaming to check the hypothesis. I thought I
might do the same for C&F…

Neutral Ground: Individuals are free to come and go as they please.

There is nothing keeping people here, and nothing even says that
you have to be seen. Anyone can lurk, or post, as they please, as
long as they maintain the neutrality by practicing basic civility.

Leveler: An individual’s rank and status in society are not significant.

This is mostly true. You get out what you put in. If you use a gender-
and race-neutral avatar and screen name, and keep out of
discussions about race or religion, then it’s going to be hard to guess
at your social status, race, gender, etc. On the internet, no one knows
you’re a dog (miss ya, glauber!)… There are some internal rankings,
intentional or not. If you make commercial posts, then you’re
a professional maker or player, so more weight may be given your
views on the instruments or music. And of course, there’s post count
and join times. But, I think C&F still resists external status rankings,
so I think we’re OK for this one.

Conversation is Main Activity: In third places, conversation is the main activity that the individuals participate in.

Well, duh.

Accessibility & Accommodation: Third places are easy to access and accommodating to individuals.

As long as you have the internet and can play nice, you can access
C&F 24 hours a day. Posts are retained so that people in different
timezones or with different sleep schedules don’t miss out on the
conversation.

The Regulars: Regulars are those who give the place its character, and attract new individuals.

I think that I would not come here nearly as often were it not for the
familiar “faces”. The people are what make this place great. I like
that, for example, during conversations (in real life) about current
events, I can say “I’ve heard from some British citizens that in the
UK, …” or suchlike. I like the inside jokes, the shared life experiences,
and the daily astronomy posts. None of this would be possible if
people didn’t stick around for awhile.

A Low Profile: Third places are characteristically homely and without pretension.

I think the moderators have striven to keep this place relatively free
of pretense. Egos clash sometimes, and this is good for conversation,
but I’ve seen apologies, and mendings of ways, and I’ve watched
people mature after an argument showed them things they were
previously blind to. There is a lot of humility here, and not just from
folks who are shy about their whistling skills (though, perhaps that’s
the launching pad for the prevailing humble attitude…)

The Mood is Playful: The general mood of a third place is playful and witty.

Natch. I certainly have a lot of fun here. I could list some examples
of the site’s wittitude, but it would unavoidably be an incomplete list.

A Home Away from Home: Rootedness, feelings of possession, spiritual regeneration, feelings of being at ease, and warmth.

This is what some people feel is missing, but I think for many of us,
it is present in spades. I’ve seen this board and its members defended
vehemently. We voice our dissent or support of the board’s governance,
even though we as individuals have little direct power to change
anything. Many of us share in the joys of new parenthood, as well
as the sorrows of loss, even when the people involved have never
physically met. I’ve seen emotions that can only be explained by
the word “community”.

Conclusion:
I think, for me at least, C&F can be regarded as a “Third Place”. It
is a place filled with familiar people, who together own this community
where social standing is set aside to facilitate conversation and fun.

Excellent analysis. I often find myself wishing it were a “real” pub, with some spluttering outrageously over their beers at the corner table, others whining about the days events at the counter, (me plopped on the comfy sofa in front of the fire chatting,) and many running in and out on their way to and from life, stopping to say hello.

Oh sure. The rest of us are splutterers and whining but you’re the reasonable chatter plopped on a sofa. Not even a couch but a sofa. I suppose Walden is there on the comfy sofa too being that he’s so reasonable. Well fine Miss I’m a chatter and Flyingcursor is a whiny splutterer. I got a life too ya know. A real life outside this place.
…Oh, who am I kidding. This board is my only community.

(to the moderators: The above is a joke and not intended as a personal affront to Miss I’m a chatter and Flyingcursor is a whiny splutterer or to Emmline. Thank you - FC)

Fly…there’s room on the sofa. But no spluttering. Don’t spill your beer either.

And use a damn coaster.

And PLEASE don’t buy the musicians drinks. Tip them if you like, but no drinks. That way lies madness.

back, are ya? :slight_smile:

I try to go by hard experience. Mine and everyone else’s.

hearsay…

I don’t remember a bit of it…

Interesting - I would say that sessions themselves also can function as a “third place” but one does get a lot of ranking and hierarchy going on. Musically, that isn’t necessarily a bad thing, as long as people don’t translate that into a bad social experience.

I’m thinking that ranking within the community structure is probably
allowed for, but using external rankings is not. It doesn’t matter if you
are Governer or Gardener, as long as you can play. I think most
sessions are an excellent example of a 3rd place. They’re definitely
about communication and fun.

Sessions for me are less a “home away from home” than a day at the races. :wink:

This seems like one of those ideas that’s dead obvious … but only after it’s been pointed out to you.

Socially, it’s probably more important than the second place. I think a lot of socialising at work is to make it bearable. It’s not a place you can just leave either. That’s not to say that friendships formed at work aren’t deep or genuine.

If only that were true… :wink:

I can be outrageously opinionated, but I don’t splutter. I would never run from the crack but make a point of saying Hello. Mmm..the couch…

In the real world I work amongest some of the finest people I have ever met. I know that I can count on them should push ever come to shove. Not one single one of them share my interests in Life. Not one of them has the vaguest idea of what I’m talking about when I have a few beers inside me.

Much the same thing applys to my local real life Pub. The most caring, sharing bunch of people around. Multi racial, multi talented and more but should any one of our number have a problem, the boys, and girls, are there in force with support and do whatever it takes to help the person on question.

For all the kindness and consideration there, not one single one of them knows anything about ITM, Bob, Tom Waits, Joni, Youtube..etc.
Not one single one of them has the faintest idea what I am talking about when I get one or two aboard.

I come here for that.

Slan,
D. :wink:

Um…Dubh? Ya know we love you and all that…but what are you talking about when you get one or two aboard?

This is starting to sound like the pregnancy thread…
Is Dubh having twins?

And there was me thinking it was Pirate day…
Arrrrrrr…Tempest Fugit..

SHOJ..he he he …

Slan,

D.

A bit of the o’d ‘Fiddler Grease’ (Whistler Grease, if you please), methinks… an alcoholic beverage or two, er three… mebbe. :slight_smile:

:laughing: :laughing:
I hate be obscure, not to mention oblique, but shurley my intent is plain and one must wonder why I am misunderstood when I just wanna be feared in my neighbourhood.

A bit of Pete Townsend and Ronnie Lane there now..


:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Slan,
D.

Aw, Emm’s jes’ teasin’ ya ‘cause youse bein’ all warm and fuzzy like!

tis nice to have aplace where Bob, Tom & Joni are known…

dang old farts…