Bb full set on E-bay

A Ginsberg flat set on E-bay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/UILLEANN-PIPES-IN-B-BFLAT-BY-ALAN-GINSBERG_W0QQitemZ110176291607QQihZ001QQcategoryZ16226QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

£2000 reserve.

Mike Ginsberg (the seller) is very good to deal with (I have bought from him before).

David

Davy - For a moment, I thought it was your Bb set on the auction block. :astonished:

… I would have bid on it …

By the way, what key is B-Bflat?

By the way, what key is B-Bflat?

It’s a way of saying that the set is between the pitches of B and B flat.

A lot of pipe makers copy old sets that were made when A didn’t equal 440htz.

There are some Coyne and Kenna sets that are close to modern C# and B.
Thats because at one point in their career A equaled 415htz, a semi-tone below 440htz, so in fact they only made D and C sets.

Some of the Kenna’s made sets in an older european standard pitch A=392 which is almost a full tone away from modern concert pitch. So again, the D and C sets that they made then relate to modern C and Bb.

These tuning standards changed often and some different ones ran concurrently too.

I’m guessing here now but there seemed to be a time when one pitch used was a little flat of 415, maybe 405ish becasue I have seen a lot of flat sets that play between B and Bb, and also between C# and C.
A local piper has a beautiful Froment set in B, but it sings perfectly in tune with itself flat of modern B, well in the way to Bb.

Hope this helps,

Tommy

Yeah, what Tom said. My Hunter B set, which is based on a Coyne, plays a bit south of modern B; as does Mr. D’Arcy’s Harrington-inspired B set by Geoff Wooff.

No E

Very interesting. I thought that the seller had either made a mistake or was suggesting that the pipes could be tuned to B or Bb. Thanks for clearing this up.

My understanding is that the Egan “Bflat” design (on which this set is based, apparently), plays well sharp of modern Bflat. On the other hand, the Coyne “B” and “C#” designs are happiest a bit flat of those respective pitches. So the difference between a Coyne “B” and an Egan “Bflat” might not be huge, maybe half a semitone or a little less.

The Egan “Bflat” is, IIRC, about an 18" long chanter, possibly 18.25".

No chance PJ, it is a keeper :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Maybe some day I will be able to do it justice.

BTW if anybody in the Scotland area wants a shot on it, come along to the Glasgow Pipers Club Tionol at the Southfield Hotel in Blackwood on Saturday October 6th from 1pm onwards.

David

Why doen’t Mr Ginsberg sell them direct ?

Why doen’t Mr Ginsberg sell them direct ?

He does,
it’s probably an order cancellation or he had time to make an extra set and offer it up on ebay…

Tommy