My PVC flutes just aren’t doing it for me anymore, and I can’t afford retail on the ‘recommended’ beginner flutes.
Here’s what I’m looking for:
Loud enough for sessions
Wood or delrin - I’m comfortable with both
Conical
Large embouchure
Older, repaired is fine
keyless or keyed, case or no case
No-name is fine as long as it’s a strong player
Thanks in advance for any leads.
Bryce Woollcombe
Casey Burns folk flute weighs in at about $250.
I think that’s probably your best option–you can also keep your eyes open for a used Seery Pratten or M&E R&R, but it’s rare to find one of these being offered secondhand.
–James
If you really are a beginner, don’t torture people with your new flute and its big volume. Be aware that you may be overblowing and for God’s sake, watch your tuning.
I agree that a PVC flute won’t cut it for more than short period of time. My advice would be to get the very best you can afford-- even if it means going into debt. A top quality flute will always bring what you paid for, while a cheaper bargain flute will probably be a losing proposition.
That said, there’s a used Hernon going here for $550. Sounds like a bargain.
Well, I enjoy the heck out of my PVC flutes. I make them myself, and they have great dynamic range. I’ve made a low D, a Bb fife, 2 in G, and a soprano A. Currently working on soprando D fife/picco. I’ll always have a handful of homebuilts around, because I take them everywhere, both in and out of doors, and if one is lost or destroyed, I get the joy of making another.
That being said, Santa is bringing me an Irish Flute (rosewood) to supplement my maple Bb fife! 
Have you been watching E-Bay? They usually have a good selection. There’s the usual Paki flutes that seem to be generally eschewed by the fluting world (I wouldn’t know, I’ve never bought one), there are genuine works of art that no one can afford, but there always seems to be a selection of flutes available to us mere mortals.
My God! As a beginner, I keep wishing my Sweetheart keyless was not so bloody loud, then no one else in the session would hear my mistakes!
I don’t know how the Sweet compares to other flutes, but it seems pretty loud to me. I think they are about the same as the Burns Folk Flute, pricewise.
Serously, I am not sure you really want a loud flute. If you are playing it properly, it should be plenty loud enough. I probably only get the embouchure right about 50% of the time, and the sound is pretty weak and airy when I don’t - but this is a bad sound anyway. When I get it right, I am probably the loudest instrument in the session - which I don’t want to be just yet. Do you?
Thanks all. I’ve got a couple of leads so far, and I’ll pick an option in the next coupla days.
Excellent advice, David. I do tend to push too hard on flute (generally reserving the word ‘overblow’ for its other meaning), so I end up putting natually quieter flutes down and reaching for my old Powell or my Czech Eb. I’ve been doubling on flutes for about 15 years, so my playing is rarely ‘torture’ except when I’m tweaking a whistle or voicing a PVC flute. Then again, my family may just be humouring me.
The size of one’s embouchure hole doesn’t necessarily correspond to the loudness of one’s flute.
Loren
True 'nuff, Loren, it’s just that I’ve gotten a sweeter and more controlled tone on larger emb. holes that I’ve tried.
Fair enough, but perhaps you haven’t run across enough good flutes yet - Wilkes, Murray, and several other “smaller” holed flutes hold up just fine in the volume and sweetness department. In the end, it’s the player, not the size of the embouchure hole that counts.
BTW, it would be easier to recommend some flutes if you specified a price range.
Cheers,
Loren
Chiffed…no one likes loud beginners… 
15 years playing silver flutes = not a raw beginner, I expect.
Also, I’ve been known to work with beginner school bands of 40-60 players. That’s LOUD!
I need lots more experience with Irish flute, considering that most of what I know has come from the insightful reviews and commentary on this board. I’m just looking for a safe bet that I won’t grow out of in a year.
Dollars-wise, I have 327 Canadian dollars, but it looks like I’ll have to come up with more.
In that price range I’d say your best bet would be an Olwell bamboo D, and save the rest towards a flute in the 500-700 (USD) range.
Loren
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OR if you get sick of the snobbery at sessions go your own way. Most towns have open mics or find other venues to play at. The Irish flute is not picky what kind of music or style you choose to play on it.
There are many sessions out there that give people the cold shoulder and the feeling its an exclusive club. Don’t let that sway you from the flute. There are other musical styles out there.
I used ‘session’ volume as something of an explanatory thing…
My band likes to rehearse without setting up mics, but we’ve grown to include dulcimer, guitar/mandolin, dobro/guitar, bass, piano, and (sometimes) accordian. I’m playing saxes, whistles, percussion, and silver flute. We’re doing more trad, so the saxes are being phased out a bit.
How about a nice Calmont. It has an embouchure like the silver flute you’re used to and plays as an Irish flute and it’s not shy on volume. It’s also tunable.
£30 including postage to Canada…
PM me if you’re interested.
Hidden in the “wink” was an “I knew that…”
I don’t think that the CB Folk would be to your liking. too woody.
I’d suggest one of the delrins, given your funding…
Don’t overlook Jon C.
Thanks, Denny - guess I got a tad defensive.
Delrin is looking better and better. I really love wood, but ABS and composite clarinets have always served me well…
There is a lot to be said for being able to leave the thing put together and out of its box…
I haven’t done more that a couple of hours on the wooden one since I got a delrin.
Looked like…you titled the thread! 
Thread title edited. Clarity is a beautiful thing, I’ve heard. 
There are many sessions out there that give people the cold shoulder and the feeling its an exclusive club.
Doubtless that’s true, and I’ve read about such sessions online–but, so far, every session I’ve attended in person has been warm, wecoming, and friendly.
Here at home, we always make a special point to welcome new players.
So if you encounter a session where you and your flute aren’t welcome, just try another session. You’ll find one that fits.
–James