Very long rolls

I heared in WFOx some tunes with rolls over 4 or 5 notes.

For 3 notes (G for instance), you first play the note coming from another note, then cut and tap.

How do you proceed for more than 3 notes?

Thanks all

short E roll :
xxxx
xxxx
oxxx
xxxx
xxxx
ooxo
used alot in reels

long E roll :
xxxxx
xxxxx
xoxxx
xxxxx
xxxxx
oooxo
used alot in jigs

just to show you, but i think it’s best to buy a good tutorial to get to know them all.

Are you sure you don’t mean multiple rolling?

Some of what I’ve been hearing are just 1 roll right after another, not necessarily even on the same notes.

Kevin Krell

to make rolls longer than three notes, I use alternately tap and cut, to make five times E, I make E, then cut, then tap, then cut, then tap.
Sometimes, I try another kind of long roll, using cuts, taps and ‘t’ with tongue.
Lixnaw, please, could you explain your notation? I don’t understant it.

x=closed
o=open
or you could have a roll and right after it, a tap. i like that!

Thanks for your kind replies

Lixnaw, I don’t understand your fingering; why not 6 holes?

You may be right Peter, I can’t hear if it’s multiple rolls or not; but in that case, how do you make the transition: tongue?cut?

Best regards

I was taught to tap between two rolls on the same note, but I suspect there’s no single right or wrong.

I was not quite sure what you meant, multiple rolling is something you find in the playing of Johnny Doran and Willie Clancy who used it fairly extensively in their piping, Willie (and I assume Doran as well) used it a lot in his whistleplaying at times and it is safe to assume again it occurred in his fluteplaying, while it lasted.
I would basically do a bunch of rolls without tongueing but I suppose you could if you wanted to, the effect I would aim for would be a purely legato one.

i just left a little more space between, i hope it’s more readable now. i think you’'ll have to be very good to put double rolls to good use. i have enough trouble with my rythm :laughing:
short E roll :
x x x x top hole
x x x x
o x x x
x x x x
x x x x
o o x o Bottom hole
used alot in reels

long E roll :
x x x x x top hole
x x x x x
x o x x x
x x x x x
x x x x x
o o o x o bottom hole
used alot in jigs

that’s the way i do it anyway.

Lixnaw,

I’ve spent all day trying to figure out the four x’s as opposed to six (or three if you’re only illustrating one hand but I still can’t make the roll work there, either), and I’m thinking this is where people are getting hung up.

Anyway, I’m still mystified. Do you have extra fingers? Or extra holes on your flute?

From,

One Who Must Just Have Too Few Brain Cells.

sorry for my deluded tablature, i just edited my above post. but i’ll swab my braincells for your repertoire anytime :wink:

OH – I got it! lixnaw is showing the fingerings vertically instead of horizontally!!!

I frequently play two short rolls in a row, taking up the space of a half note. Like this on G (showing the fingerings horizontally):

xox ooo - cut
xxx ooo - G
xxx xoo - tap
xxx ooo - G
xox ooo - cut
xxx ooo - G
xxx xoo - tap
xxx ooo - G

The most usual place I might want to do this is where there’s already a dotted quarter note on the beat followed by an eighth, replacing both notes with the double short roll. E.g. the first bit of “Trim the Velvet:”

~G3B AGFA|~G3B cCFA|

Becomes

~G2~G2 AGFA|~G3B cCFA|

is there a specific track that you can refer to? that would make it easier.

I’m surprized at all of you. You’ve never seen flute tabs written in Chinese? :laughing:

Doc

:laughing:

ditto :laughing:

And thanks, Lix. When your avatar briefly showed up as a dolphin yesterday I thought “AHA! THAT’S IT! FLIPPER FINGERING!”

Alternate joke: I’ve been saying I’d give my right arm to play like Seamus Tansey … so I thought maybe you did!

:tomato:

And while I shall be eternally grateful for you sweet comment, alas … I may play a lot of tunes, but unfortunately none of them particularly well. (as I discover more and more every day)

Sigh … back to the woodshed. Or perhaps the chopping block! :smiling_imp: