Two Whistles For Sale

  1. Unfortunately I’m not in a position to raffle the Chieftain Low F off, nor do I expect to be any time in the near future, so here it is for sale again: Chieftain Low F, in very good condition, plays well, finger holes slightly out of line, but not so much that most people would notice. $75 includes shipping to U.S. destinations.

2)Alba Low D whistle for sale, In like new condition. $115 including Priority Mail Shipping in the U.S.

Please respond via Private Message using the message board ONLY if you can pay using PayPal, AND live in the U.S.A.: I will not ship overseas, or to Canada, Mexico, Atlantis, or the Space Station.

Thanks,

Loren

P.S. I forgot to mention: Both whistles are of the Non-Tunable variety.

Loren

Although posting to this thread may well incur the wrath of DALE, I feel unable to let it pass without comment.
Whilst legally, you have a right to sell the Low D whistle that I sent you for review, I suggest that to profit from your attempt at down grading my products in said review
is morally wrong.
It is a sad day indeed when the need for cash, is more important than a clear conscious.
However Mr Bookbinder if this your way, let me not be the one to cast the first stone.
:angry:
Stacey

Oh by the way, this is what Dale said.:laughing: ALBA LOW D COMMENT

Alba sent me a newly designed Low D. I have more good news for you. It’s outstanding and a major upgrade from the previous Alba model. To refresh your memory:

Alba Whistles are handmade in Scotland at Alba Aerophonics, a division of Lockheed Martin. (Just kidding.) They are made from brushed aluminum and come in a full range of keys. They feature a synthetic fipple plug made from water resistant Tufnol, and a mouthpiece with a curved windway to reduce moisture problems. In addition the decorative rings engraved around the shaft and the intricate Alba logo are a distinctive feature. The Alba whistles are arguably the most visually attractive metal whistles on the market.

The whistles are made in a range of keys from a soprano G down to the Bb low whistle. The Albas have a distinctive, seductive sound, which, in a previous review, I referred to as “…like Marilyn Monroe singing ‘Happy Birthday’ to John F Kennedy.” (Which probably has prompted a couple of buyers to return them because they don’t think they sound like Marilyn Monroe, but more like Jayne Mansfield. Whistle players are an odd bunch, really, and are discriminating in eccentric ways.)

Now, I have played nearly 30 low D whistles by almost as many makers. I own 25 or so. (Or, rather, I should say, they are in the heavily guarded 3Fish Productions storage facility outside of Anchorage.) It is my opinion that it is harder to make a good low whistle than a good high one. This is a great one. The tone is dangerously close to the famed “cosmic drainpipe” Overton sound. The low end booms. The high end is clear and fluent. It’s made very, very well and is clog-resistant. It is reasonably light weight. The air requirements are moderate. Tuning is precise.

SO, I say:

Happy Birthday

…to you.

Happy BIRTHday

…to…you.

Happy BIRTHDAY

…Mr. …President…

Happy Birthday

to you!

(giggle)


OL:
And this is what you said.
Your whistles still suck.

I should think that you, knowing I’d already gotten one Alba that was terribly out of tune and not so well made, would go to the trouble of sending me the best example of your work…and perhaps you did, which is even more frigthening: The whistle you sent has fingerholes that are not drilled strait down the tube - they wander slightly from one side to the other. Also, the end of the mouthpiece is cut off at an angle! Now there’s something I haven’t seen before.

I must admit that you’ve reduced the wind requirements on your Low D, to the point where it’s playable, if not quite thrifty, and that’s a step in the right direction.

Getting back to the tone holes: The sizes are very good - on the small side, however the finishing of the holes is rather rough and the tone hole spacing you’ve chosen for the right hand is horribly uncomfortable - the 4 and 5 holes are too close together, while the 5 and 6 are MUCH too far apart. Plus the stretch is long… The whistle is playable, but it’s one of the least comfortable Low D’s I’ve ever played - This is the sort of whistle, just based on finger spacing alone, that will make first time players belive that the Low D is not doable for them. Honestly, I can’t imagine many people finding the right hand configuration comfortable. It would also be nice if the tone holes were actually round, which they are not.

That brings us to sound and playability. The whistle plays fine. The bell note isn’t too jumpy, it’s good and solid, and the whistle plays pretty easily all the way through the top of the second octave. The down side is that while the breath requirements are moderate in the first octave, the whistle lacks any significant back presssure, so one needs to blow a good bit more air (quantity) through the mouthpiece to play in the second octave, meaning you’ll be gasping during passages in the second octave.

The Alba Low D is a VERY breathy sounding whistle - there’s a constant “Whoooshing” sound as you play all the notes, and this increases as you go up the scale. Dale described the tone as “Smokey” I believe, I’d call it cloudy and unfocused sounding at best - good for someone who wants a really breathy whistle primarily for slow tunes, not a good choice for someone who wants to play uptempo jigs, reels, and the like. The unfocused and overly breathy sound of this whistle leads to ornaments that just don’t “Pop”, there’s little crispness or snap to cuts and taps, so consequently the notes mostly bleed and blur together at speed, leading to a rather mushy, undefined, and uninspiring rendition of what ever you’re trying to play. (I’ll leave this space open for you to insult my playing now as I’m sure that’s what you’ll want to blame this on Wizzy___________________)

By the way, the tuning on the whistle is okay: By that I mean it can certainly be played in tune, but one needs to do a bit of adjusting breath pressure from one not to the next in some cases, as the tuning is not precise. The C# in particular is noticeably flat and requires a concious effort to put up to pitch. The notes, in general, are more suseptible to being under or overblown out of tune, than on many other whistles - not a fatal flaw, just one more thing that keeps this whistle from ranking with the best.

So, overall, I’d say the Alba Low D ranks pretty far down the list of Low D’s on the market. If the finger hole spacing were different, it might make a nice alternative to the Dixon Low D for beginners who can’t afford a top quality instrument, but the reach on the Alba is just too long and unevenly spaced for the vast majority of beginners, and uncomfortable for almost anyone I’d imagine. In the end, I think this whistle is best suited for large handed players, who like an extremely breathy sound, to play slow tunes on, and who don’t require an instrument that’s particularly well made.
Loren.

Kinder makes you wonder, at whats what don’t it!
:cry:
Wizet


[ This Message was edited by: wizzy on 2002-12-27 15:51 ]

You offered me a free whistle, and wanted me to review it publicly, so that people would hopefully buy your whistles… so, clearly YOUR only motive was Profit. What a hypocrit.

And let’s not forget, sending me a free whistle was YOUR idea, not mine. You gave it to me free and clear, and even though you acted like a child about the speed with which the review happened, I DID write the review, and the whistle is mine to do with as I please.


Loren

Gee, you’re really hurting my feelings Stacey…

Loren

Bystanders, walk by : various debris are gonna fly low.

Loren “dude”, can you hear me? Here’s Zoob “prince of hypocrits” as you called me, speaking up and loud (as usual). No Monty Python, no cutesies, no usual silliness, no phony Gallic accent and no attempt to whatever humour here!

Guess what ?

I cannot belive this !
I ’ m u t t e r l y s h o c k e d !!!
T h i s i s s c a n d a l o u s !!!

Of course not your selling a Chieftain which is certainly a good instrument since you picked it up and you’re certainly knowledgeable. And us majority of imbeciles won’t notice the slight misalignment that only experts as you can spot, and I’d certainly be fine with.

But this is not my issue.

I’m shocked by your selling a whistle which was sent to you gratuitously for review, and then after an express request from the maker to please pass it over to someone else.

Once upon a long time, a journalist of the motorcycle press took it a habit to sell on the small ads of his own magazine the very items he was sent to review. He was fired when this was unearthed; as member of the peir journalists, I agreed by voting with this decision. 20 years later, I’m just as shock-prone. Or hard bastard. Maybe I haven’t matured yet. Or maybe I’m still normal.

If you had not restrained this ad to “US/PayPal customers only” I would have gladly–and silently–purchased this back from you, 'cause I have a C of the same series and I know what it’s worth. And at $100 odd it’s certainly is a steal! Don’t worry, I do weigh my words, especially here and the last one.

All I can do now is offer to send you a $50 AmEx Traveller Checks so you send it back to the owner*. You can keep the small change–you apparently need a tip.

  • The owner is :
    First) Alba whistles, Scotland, Europe and yes, they ship abroad.
    Second) This community of people passionated by whistles, whether makers or players.

Caveat emptor : whoever buys this whistle buys an excellent instrument (from my and a few others opinion) or maybe a piece of crap (from the seller’s standpoint, and he’s certainly a better expert than I am). No matter how, buyer buys it HOT.

At least this thread will stop all right of the seller to pretend and judge the MORALITY of whatever manufacturer, or shop, or wholesaler like he’s allowed himself in the past!

[ This Message was edited by: Zubivka on 2002-12-27 16:13 ]

I must say this with fear, that rather than having profit on my mind.
I was trying to please an unpleaseable customer.
also that I believe that I have already said that it is your’s to do with as you wish, it was your morals that were in question.

As usual Zoob, you’re full of it, and you have no idea what you’re talking about with regards to the ownership of this whistle: As Stacey properly noted already, it’s mine to do with as I please, legally speaking.

Morality? You’re gonna lecture me? Get real. This wasn’t you’re typical whistle sent out on spec for review, this whistle was given free and clear in an effort by the maker to increase business. And I, not being a professional reviewer, and therfor not getting paid for the time and effort I put into the review, rightfully deserve some compensation, to wit, the whistle in question. So, it is mine to do with as I see fit.

Mind your own business.

Loren

Sure Stacey, if your main interest was in pleasing me, then why make such a big public stink about me not posting a PUBLIC review fast enough for you? How come you never wrote me an earnest email asking what I thought about the whistle? As I recall, all I ever got from you was a message stating that it was about time I hurried up and posted a public review. These don’t seem like the actions of someone primarily interested in the customer (me).

I’m not going to spend any more time arguing about this. The whistle is up for sale, if anyone wants it, if not it goes to ebay.

Loren

This is the E mail I sent you

Subj: Re: Another Try
Date: 20/11/02
To: BLUE-DEVIL@webtv.net


Hi Loren.
Well, I guess The time has come the Walrus to speak of many things.
After all I kept up my end, methinks tis time for you to do the same.
In all honesty just tell it the way it is.
All the best
Stacey.

And I still haven’t heard Loren play. Who did?
Why do people sending him free whistles?

He’s not, and you really don’t gain credibility for yourself by using language like that on this board.

Whistlin’Dixie,

I agree with you 100%!!!

On both counts.

\


Peace

Namasté

jim

[ This Message was edited by: livethe question on 2002-12-28 09:06 ]

Sweetone, Loren has never claimed to be a great whistle player. On the other hand, he’s played more whistles than almost everyone on the board, and he’s quite knowledgable. He’s also answered tons of questions, both on and off the board, from people needing the unique advice he is able to give. That’s why people send him whistles for review.

Stacey knew Loren’s situation before ever sending him the whistle. Knew that he always said exactly what was on his mind, and knew that he was having difficulties that have led him to sell dozens of whistles and flutes over the past year.

Just to note: as far as I know, wizzywig isn’t wizzy. No telling who it is, unless you’re Rich and have access to compare IP addresses. Don’t let the handle mislead you (as it did me at first).

As to the rest of the thread, I certainly have my opinions, but have no comment to make.

Greg

I have heard Loren play. He is quite qualified to determine whistle qualities.

I am not going to get involved in the other issue here, though.

~J

On 2002-12-28 10:30, JessieK wrote:
I have heard Loren play. He is quite qualified to determine whistle qualities.

You know, I’d really like to hear Loren play some time… though not in defense of his questioned ability.
I have no doubts about his ability to judge a whistle’s quality though, because the Overton low D he sold me earlier this year was a real gem… and it was one of his favorites.
There have been several whistle makers on this board who have shown us that they can’t take criticism on any level… Stacey being one of them.
I can’t imagine what she was thinking when she sent Loren the whistle for review, knowing full well that he’d speak his mind and not sugar coat anything even when bribed with a free whistle.
Criticism is often a good thing, and when someone knowledgable points out areas where your product could stand some improvement, I personally would seriously look into improving them if it were possible.
Just bear in mind though that nobody makes the perfect whistle for everybody… such a whistle can never exist because of the wide diversity of individual tastes.
If you make the best whistle that you’re able to make, take any criticism with a grain of salt and move on with your life.
If there really is room for improvement in your design, don’t be happy until you’ve refined it until there is no more room for improvement within your abilities.
I know firsthand what a headache working the bugs out of a whistle design can be, but I just couldn’t leave well enough alone when I knew there was still room for improvement… so don’t say I’m not qualified to make the statements I just made.
I’m going to climb down off my soap box now, and I hope I haven’t offended anyone.
Jaysus, we’re just talking about whistles here!
Sure we love them, but let’s try and keep things in proper perspective.
Until they start trading whistle stocks on Wall Street, don’t take them too seriously! :wink:

Stacy -
It’s really not cool to publish other people’s e-mail addresses, especially without their permission. Posting Loren’s e-mail address here, the way you have, virtually guarantees that it will be picked up by a Spam-bot and he will soon be inundated with junk e-mail. I suggest that you simply take his e-mail address out your post.

Chris

[ This Message was edited by: ChrisLaughlin on 2002-12-28 12:00 ]

It’s ok, Chris. Loren doesn’t have that e-mail address anymore.

:slight_smile: