Terminology question.

Something’s been bugging me lately… I’ve no musical education classes, so all I do know, is from books, asking people questions and trial and error. Basically, not as much as I’d like to know… :frowning:

Best way I can think of to ask the question I’m trying to, is to give an example. For instance, when taking about “cutting” on say the whistle, or the uilleann pipes, I would describe the method for cutting lets say, bottom D, with the ‘G’ finger. Na Píobairí Uilleann in their DVD uilleann pipe tutor volume 1 suggests to use the ‘A’ finger for bottom D… In my head… Those two things, are the same finger. And I know I’m getting it mixed up somewhere some how…

To me, the ‘G’ finger, (or actually I guess the ‘A’ finger) is using the finger that creates the note of G, or on the whistle, the top 3 holes covered. Going back to the example above, I said to cut bottom D, using the G finger, or T3, or top hand ring finger whichever term you like; and this is the same fingering, for the description of the example above when saying to cut bottom D with the ‘A’ finger… I’m confusing the hell of myself just trying to describe my problem with this terminology deal…

So on and so forth.

For some annoying reason I can’t figure this simple thing out…

If this is making any sense to anyone as to what I’m doing here.. Please chime in and correct my ways. :slight_smile:

The ‘A’ finger is the one you lift to sound ‘A’ on the pipes. Whistle/Flute players do seem to use a shift in names due no doubt to the very essential basicdifference how their instruments are played.

Well another thing I would do is call the B2 hole on the whistle the ‘E’ hole, because in my head, I think of it as that hole when being covered while the tone hole below B2 left opened, sounds the note of ‘E’. I guess another way to look at it is, that same hole, B2, could be called the F# hole, because B2 is left opened when playing the note of F#… Kind of like D#, and Eb type deal… I guess… To me. :confused:

That makes perfect sense. Closed fingering being possible on the pipes and all.

As a lifelong wind player (many instruments, but not pipes), it never occurred to me to think of the A finger as anything but T2, and the G as T3, the E as B2, etc. In other words, the finger that is lowered, not lifted, to produce the note. In my world, as for Key_of_D, the piping terminology seems the odd one out.

But a few threads back, one wise poster suggested thinking in terms of vent holes – the highest hole that needs to be vented or opened for a given note. In those terms, for example, the T3 hole is clearly the A vent. So if a piper wants to also call the T3 finger the A finger, I find the vent concept helpful to mentally bridge the two different terminology conventions.

I think this is what is throwing me off… As this is how I’ve always done it while talking about the whistle. Then I started taking up the pipes about 3 months ago, and what I call the G finger is actually called the A finger, (which makes sense now as to why it’s called the A finger) and what I called the F finger is actually called the G finger… Learn something new everyday. :slight_smile:

MTGuru, you wouldn’t happen to remember the name of that thread you were talking about above so I could go look it up myself do you? If not, no worries. Thanks again,

-Eric

Sure, it starts around here, when Brother Steve questions the terminology, and talasiga proposes the vent concept:

http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=49510&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30