Teetotallers

One of seven video clips - 6 more are up there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JprUkBdAXb8&feature=channel&list=UL

No offense, but did you get Kevin and the gang’s permission to post these on YouTube? This is actually illegal in the US…

Pat

Nothing to do with me mate - just spotted them on youtube and passed the link on

And thanks for that - wonderful stuff!

I did ask Kevin about it and he doesn’t seem to mind, as long as it’s good quality. I kinda got the feeling it was more because it was a “fait accompli”, though. I know he frequents the board - maybe he can address the feelings of professional musicians having their work posted on YouTube.

Personally, I don’t think it’s fair to the musicians or morally acceptable, but I guess I’m open to discussion. Maybe people think it’s OK if nobody says “don’t record” before the performance, but I don’t see a big difference between this and going to a movie and recording it with your iPhone. At least on YouTube the poster isn’t making any money from it (but, then again, neither are the musicians).

Sorry to be a bit of a prude, but I just taught a class (I’m a college prof) addressing exactly these types of intellectual property issues.

Pat

Personally, I feel it’s the other way round. If people didn’t post stuff on YouTube, the artists might not get any exposure at all, and would certainly, given that clips of others’ playing will be posted no matter what, lose publicity and profile. IOW, chances are they’d be the ones to lose if no-one posted them.

The Grateful Dead did okay. :smiley:

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2010/03/management-secrets-of-the-grateful-dead/7918/

http://www.amazon.com/Marketing-Lessons-Grateful-Dead-Business/dp/0470900520


Amazing how times change…
L

I think that artists need to adjust to the times, so posting stuff on youtube, soundcloud, facebook, etc isn’t going to stop and should be expected, but I think it’s good form to ask, and/or let the artists themselves post it. I know that some things get posted by enthusiastic fans that aren’t necessarily what the artists themselves would prefer to put up. The artists should have control over what media gets put up by them.

In law, if not in practicability (too much/too big a job and not worth the candle chasing), they do. Certainly with regard to YT - they or their agent or a Performing Rights agency can flag a rights violation through YT’s system and ultimately get unauthorised material removed.

I just had to deal with one such copyright violation notice on one of my YT clips, with the PRS rather mysteriously (and erroneously) claiming I’d performed a copyrighted composition by Paddy Moloney - I was able to argue (with supporting citations) quite easily that all the material was public domain traditional and nothing to do with PM (save he too may have used it) and they withdrew the claim.



And there was that Dylan guy with a couple of “bootleg recordings” out.

But I have to fall into the “only with permission” camp.

I was involved with a series of piping concerts at one point. As MC, I always asked the performers whether they minded if someone taped/videoed their performances (and then relayed their preferences to the audience at the beginning of the concerts). I was surprised at the strength of their feelings/preferences, one way or the other, on the topic. Some liked the exposure, others felt they should get some recompense for their “property” and some just wanted control over the quality of their performances floating around (did good - “no problem”; bad night - “don’t let that get out”).

Best wishes.

Steve

ya, me too :smiley:

To clarify, I totally agree that it’s the right thing to do to ask the artist before putting stuff up on the interwebs. Once it’s there, I think it’s fair game to link to it.

Asking for permission is nice. I appreaciate if somebody does that. However I also like seeing my music on YouTube (if quality is fine)…I don’t miss CD sales because of that. Not at all. And I guess Kevin doesn’t either.

Have to disagree slightly. If it’s there without permission, IMHO, it’s still inappropriate to link/publicize/etc. the material.

I know, impossible to know about/implement/enforce and so on but I can still sit here, smug in my indignant rectitude…

Best wishes.

Steve

Is that some kind of hot bath? :boggle: :wink:



It’s a poem from either Edward Lear or John Lennon, I can’t remember which.
“Snug in my indignant rectitude the wither bitchies fried…etc.”

Best wishes.

Steve

well, fried ain’t steamed now, is it

Nor poached…

Best wishes.

Steve

Enough hits, and a YouTube poster can make money from the material they have posted to their channel.

http://socialtimes.com/how-much-money-do-viral-youtube-videos-make_b82484