Some Thoughts on Hoover Whistles

I recently acquired two CPVC soprano D whistles from Mack Hoover. Mack gave me a great deal on them; just how great I can’t say for fear of arousing feelings of envy in other Hoover whistle fans! I picked out one of these whistles, a tunable, after trying every one of this type that Mack had on the table at the Grand Junction Celtic festival. The other, which is now owned by my 12-year old son (who can’t seem to put it down), is non-tunable and was picked out by Mack. Both whistles sound wonderful and are well in-tune. The tunable is in tune very close to its sharpest setting but has lots of leeway towards flatting. If this turned out to be a problem, one could always remove a short piece of the upper section to allow the whistle to play sharper. In examining and playing Mack’s whistles, I was surprised by the variability in the dimensions and even the configurations of windways, windows, holes, etc., and the differences in air requirements between whistles in the same key. The tunable whistle I picked out has a larger (in terms of height and width) windway and larger diameter holes than many of the others, which suits me because I tend to play rather forcefully. In contrast, the whistle Mack picked out for my son has lower air requirements and is quieter. In short, a more “typical” Hoover whistle, at least in terms of the way in which Mack’s whistles have been characterized. I made some measurements on certain attributes of the two whistles to demonstrate the range of variability; the differences in mm are shown in the table below.

A Comparison of Two Hoover CPVC Soprano D whistles.

Measurement Difference
Length of whistle 4.0 mm
Height of windway 1.0 mm
Width of windway 0.7 mm
Length of window 0.5 mm
Width of window 1.0 mm
Maximum hole diameter 1.3 mm
Minimum hole diameter 1.8 mm

Some might believe that this variability represents inconsistent production methods; indeed, I have seen some comments along these lines about Mack’s whistles. I happen to think that it is a strength of Hoover whistles. My impression is that Mack puts a lot of attention into each whistle to make it as good as possible on its own terms rather than trying to conform to an exact template that would result in each whistle being a clone of the last. I also believe that the variations might be regarded as falling within acceptable parameters for hand-made whistles. Nevertheless, I can see that mail order purchase of a Hoover whistle could be problematic, in terms of matching the whistle to the individual’s desires and playing style. So, it would be better to meet with Mack and try out his whistles until you found the one that was just right for you. Failing that, tell Mack as much as you can about your playing style and exactly what you are looking for in a whistle and I think he will do a good job of picking one out for you.

By the way, the tunable I bought from Mack is anything but the typical Hoover. It is loud but sweet, and capable of holding its own in a session.

Oh, and one more thing. Mack, don’t forget that I want that low “A” you are finishing!

Rand

Rand, what makes you think I’m reading this anyway?!


~ Pick up your A next time you’re by~


And for anyone else who thinks there might be collusion here, banish the thought!!

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Hmmm…

I’ve gotta second Rand’s opinions here. I also had a chance to play just about every whistle our dear Mr. Hoover had available at the festival. There is indeed slight variation from one to the next, but having sat down with him back in July, and attempting to make my own (under his watchful eye of course) was a humbling experience!

I tend to like a whistle with a little more “spring” in it’s resistance to airflow, and I also prefer slightly larger bores with large tone holes. Mack can (and HAS) accomidated this in his whistles which I now play.

I’ve heard some mention (privately) that they recieved a whistle which was out of tune. Now being human, I KNOW this is a possibility, however, I have yet to play one of Mack’s that was even close to out of tune. Frankly, I’m baffled! He’s got a great ear, no doubt about it.

And again, one of the neatest things about working with a whistle-smith directly, is that unlike Walton’s or Generation…if you get a whistle you don’t care for, you CAN send it back. This is worth the price of two or three cheapies isn’t it?

Anyway, my point is basicly this: If you haven’t yet tried one of Mack Hoover’s whistles, do yourself a favor, and either find someone’s you can stea…er…borrow for a while, or just order your own!

B~

Mack made me a wide bore loud tunable B (CPVC) because I didn’t want a soft one, and threw in for free 2 experimental whistles as well: narrow tunable B (looks like a white Dixon) and E whistles.

The E’s off, but then I wasn’t expecting much from experiments. I’m treating it as a collector’s item. :slight_smile:

However, both Bs are great, yet so different. The narrow one is softer but clearer/purer in tone. The wide bore is louder (you can really push it) and furrier in tone.

I subsequently got a low D (CPVC) from him. Plays easily up to 3rd octave D, and finger reach and hole-sealing is no problem. I asked specifically for those qualities, and I got it.

Only thing (sorry, Mack) is that I realise after playing it that I prefer the tone of the Susato low D that my friend has, even though the Susato is more difficult to play, esp in the higher ranges (squawks galore if you don’t blow REALLY hard).

If only I could marry the good points of each…

Tone comparison (caveat: I’ve only ever played these 2 low Ds in my life):-

Susato – stronger in the lower ranges than Hoover. Tone is clear and pure.

Hoover – breathier and at times, there’s a metallic ring to the sound. Is this what is meant by “cosmic drainpipe”? It certainly sounds more futuristic than the Susato.

This is however just a personal preference; others might prefer the Hoover low D sound.

I would still recommend Mack, if you know what you want, because every piece is tailor-made to your requirements, at a very reasonable price. He’s attentive and fast. It was (is!) also fun to correspond with him.



[ This Message was edited by: tuaz on 2001-09-29 04:32 ]

“If only I could marry the good points of each…”—Tuaz



…lemme think about that…

Oh no, I gave my Susato to a highland piper last weekend! It was a low G, but I couldn’t play it, what’s the low D like?!
Mack

I can’t decide if I’m in love with the whistles or the maker…both pretty great IMHO…:slight_smile: Gm

Okay, great. Now, I really want one of Mack’s whistles :slight_smile: can anyone give me mack’s email or website?

Caryn

PS Grannymouse I am quite scared…:wink:

On 2001-09-29 10:02, Mack.Hoover wrote:
… what’s the low D like?!

Hi, Mack.

ummm, you mean dimensions? I’ll have to borrow the Susato from my friend to figure that one out, and that’s a bit inconvenient. Anyone else know?

If the D is the adult version of the A, I have one of those! I just thought the A might be little immature for marriage. If anyone is really serious about incorporating the attributes of a Susato into a Hoover, then fellow whistler, lend me your low D!

Caryn, here are the vitals in case the links below aren’t activated:
mackh@acsol.net http://users.acsol.net/~mackh/

Hoping to hear from you!
Mack

Mack,
I tried to look at your webpage but for some reason the URL you gave me brings up a page saying website can not be found, etc. So, I don’t know if your webpage is not working or what. You probably should check it out.

Caryn

I’ve run into that. Try it in IE, I think it works in IE but not Netscape. Alternatively, go to http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/carlton/1853/index.htm (edit…and that page says to go to http://bewellweb.com/l21082o/ . I’m not sure if that means the fortunecity page is outdated or not.)

I think the problem is the default.css sheet that tries to load as the index page…I’m not clear on .css stuff though.

[ This Message was edited by: avanutria on 2001-09-30 14:07 ]

I was able to get Mack’s Website to work in Internet Explorer. I wonder why it didn’t work in Netscape?

Quick Question: Does anyone have any opinions on the Hoover low D and High D? I have never played a Low D, but I really want to get one someday. And I am debating whether I want to get a Hoover Low D…

LKtz–just please don’t take my “recycled” curtain rod! :slight_smile:

Tom

Oh Tom you know what I said about it not being for sale at any price?






















STILL TRUE!!!







As to the website, anything with fortunecity or the bwn email is obsolete, but for some reason refuses to die. And the whistle web ring still leads astray till I can update that…guess I can’t procrastinate that any longer…and I’ll see if my webmaster (I trade his service for whistles) can answer the netscape question. (wonder what key he needs next…)

[ This Message was edited by: Mack.Hoover on 2001-09-30 17:07 ]