There are flute parts up on E-bay, one day to go including what looks like a Rudall & Carte Head joint + barrel.
The head joint & barrel are attached to a flute body with pinned keys missing the foot joint.
“One of the larger pieces has the words “Rudall Carte & Co, 23 Berners Street, Oxford Street, London 2032” on one section” write the seller. Hard to see the condition of the head joint, but prehaps of interest
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-wooden-flute-pieces-/200987900662?pt=UK_Woodwind_Instruments&hash=item2ecbcffaf6
Actually the address stamp is on the main body, still the barrel is marked R&C too.
nice to notice that flutes stamped with “R&C” starts from 6600 on. And this one would be a very unique “one piece body rudall” post mounted…
the stamp looks very well made… (I got some extra pics). Seems that someone recently open a box of freaky flutes (this related to some recent thread on the board)!
“Rudall Carte & Co, 23 Berners Street, Oxford Street, London 2032”. Would this be a Pratten style Rudall then as the body is a one piece with post mounted (not pinned as I wrote)?
I think, looking at it in proportion to the German concert flute bits, that this is a RC band flute, in either F or just possibly Eb, and missing a “long”, Böhm-keyed “C foot”. In other words, like my similar 8-key F I have illustrated here before. If it is a band flute, it will be in the separate serial # sequence used for those.
Did you get any measurements, Francesco?
FWIW, the rest of what’s there doesn’t look worth bothering with unless one wants decent-enough looking German piccolo (or is it a Bb?). If one could make a foot for the RC or has a junk one to hand, well…
I didn’t, I was too curious about the stamps as the description of the item suond irrealistic to me.
A band rudall Eb/F You suggest? mmm, could be, could be… Still that head joint looks appealing… ![]()
Go for it Radcliff. The head joint alone could be a nice if it hasn’t cracked. I doubt there will be any heavy bidding for these parts. ![]()
I’m pretty sure from comparative sizes that it can’t be a D concert flute, so the head would not be compatible with one. Also that serial number can only be in the band flutes sequence on that style of flute. NeilB would help by looking it up in the sources he has, but is away from home for a while and hasn’t git access to them - I already asked.
Francesco, if you’re serious, get some measurements and I’ll supply the equivalents from my F. I suggest getting the overall length of head and barrel (slide closed), the overall length of the body, the distance from embouchure centre to C# (1st) tone-hole centre, the inside diameter of the head liner and the inside diameter of the lower end of the body.
Mine:

Right, here’s my simulation of the eBay photo.

and (later edit addition) here’s the eBay photo:
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I rest my case. Forget getting measurements - we don’t need 'em. I’ll also go so far as to say the German piccolo is an Eb, because when I put a D one in my simulation it was too long, so I put an Eb in and it matched the photo. No doubt about it, that RC is an F band flute - admittedly a slightly earlier style than my one (which has larger, differently spaced tone-holes) - can’t be an Eb. And, since all the “D foot” ones I’ve seen had integrated, not separate foot joints, I’m sticking with my assertion this almost certainly had a long, “C foot”, most likely with Böhm-style mechanism.
You’re right Jem, the Rudall Carte & Co. is in all probability an F band flute missing the foot joint. The post mounted keys on the one piece body, the serial number 2032 and Berners St. address, plus the smaller diameter of the flute when compared to the German flute in the photo, all point to this conclusion. Less than 4 hours left before the auction ends. Will probably go for less than 120 sterling
£137.00. Oh heck. I wasn’t going to…
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With luck the nach Meyer will prove decent and will pay for my folly…
well, as You said, just a bit of luck on the German flute and you got it right.
I’m saving money for the next flute in line, as I missed that lovely siccama (513) on thuesday, I need to focus for my favourite D flute makers from the old times.
Ah, yes. I had a shot at that presumably Hudson Siccama, but it went beyond my limit. Still went dirt cheap! It looked to be in exquisite condition.
Congratulations Jem
I’ve added in a copy of the eBay picture to my simulation post above, for the sake of it…
Looking at the eBay pic, I have a nasty suspicion the nach Meyer’s upper body lower tenon is sheared off… ![]()
… and it is. Probably a CP one, but not remotely worth the costs of a tenon graft to make it restorable. The German piccolo is also not worth fixing, so those and the lone English picc head are for my scrap box. The RC is indeed an F flute and will play at CP and has a very nice embouchure and sweet tone but needs a fair bit of work (double barrel cracks, seized tuning slide) before even considering pricing getting a replacement foot made…
The really interesting thing (unexpectedly) is the boxwood fife. It is missing its brass ferrules and is multiply cracked, but is stamped “Stanesby Iunior C” and plays at about a semitone flat of modern CP. There’s a discussion of it with some pictures on my Facebook. May (or may not) be a bit of a turn-up…
In your recreation photo is that the J Russell boxwood piccolo from eBay a while back. How does it play?
Patrick
No. It’s a B.S. (Barnett Samuel) 2 piece 1 key band flute in the guise of a fife (no wonder the terms got/get confused!) which is stamped B but plays roughly at 440 in Bb, with rather bad intonation. I’ve had it knocking around for about half a dozen years, but it came off eBay originally.
Ah right, I see the size now. The Russell that sold had a similar bendiness about it.