Pitch and tuning

This concurs with my own experience in playing sessions with other, non-piping musicians, which I do three or four nights a week at times, with boxes present most of the time. Sometimes I’m right on, sometimes not, it just depends on the weather, the number of bodies in the room, whether or not the AC or central heating is cranked up, etc. I’m on or very close most of the time, thank heavens.

Many box players do not get their instruments tuned as often as they should, so they could be way off of A=440, fiddle strings tend to stretch while being played, flutes and whistles go sharp the more they are played, too, so don’t let everyone point their fingers at you telling you that you have to adjust to them.

I would add that this is not an excuse to get precious about your instrument. Your intonation needs to be as correct as possible and I have had to resort to rushes, tape, etc. on more than one occasion to get everything in tune. There is one fellow I encounter from time to time with a perfectly nice set of pipes from a good maker that has a hideously sharp second octave. Easy to fix but he can’t be bothered. Don’t let that happen to you is all I’m saying.

BTW “antiquated authenticity” rubs me the wrong way. I know djm probably just means he doesn’t want to be a burden on other musicians, but it still bugs me. Part of the beauty (to me) of the instrument is that it’s “antiquated” - non-electric, difficult to play, difficult to maintain. Like any virtuoso instrument with high standards of performance, it separates the serious, dedicated musicians from the people who just like attention, or at least it tends to do that. If you want to appeal to the MTV crowd, for heaven’s sakes don’t play the pipes!

I’d rather get a nice compliment from a knowledgeable musician than the applause of people who don’t play anything at all, although the latter can be gratifying, too, provided the room is mostly sober and polite.

PatC, I would like to someday be able to play well enough that I could appreciate the older sets and all their “personality”. But at the moment, it is enough for me to get to the end of a piece, and if I can play in tune with others then so much the better.

I’m not sure what you have against the “MTV crowd”. I would rather have them throw money at me than applaud any day. :laughing:

djm

Hey, if you’re anywhere near Toronto, look up Debbie Quigley and give her a listen. She has a great style, very rhythmic and articulate, she puts a lot of detail into a tune regardless of whether she plays concert or flat pipes. She’s also a really nice person and a fine teacher. She has a nice Wooff C set, too; if it’s in working order at all you’ll understand why a lot of pipers become “flat freaks”.

Deb Quigley’s Koehler and Quinn set is exemplary as well. She is an excellent teacher and has developed her own style. Definitely worth a listen and a lesson is strongly recommended.

Thanks, I know. I take lessons from her (oops, better not say that out loud - wouldn’t want to be an embarrassment to her). I only go every few weeks, as the drive is long and the gas not cheap.

djm

My Hillmann D and Gallagher C are “dead on”, but not A=440, because the D would be flat if that were true. My A is around 2-3 cents sharp on the ET electronic tuner. I tune to D=293.7 Hz or C= 261.7 Hz. Therefore the A that is in the neighborhood of 440 Hz is sharp on my D and flat on my C.

I use a C and D tuning fork for tuning mine up (if playing with someone else).

Thank goodness for computers and pitch/tempo changing software that lets me play along with any pitched pipes., no matter what pitch I happen to be tuned to.

Lots of good replies. As to “antiquated authenticity”, I would like to make a point or two. As a good deal of the makers have died off and taken their knowledge with them, it has been the task of modern makers to reproduce the voice of the pipes. One just can’t make up a bore out of thin air and have it sound “right” to an educated ear. The makers with the longest wait lists and best reputations have tried to copy original instruments which have been agreed on to have the best sounds. In trying to adjust lengths and hole positions etc. to be in modern pitch, it has proved difficult to maintain the tone and desirable character of the originals. The top modern makers are not satisfied just to get things into tune, but try to achieve an authentic sound that will satisfy the most discriminating pipers and audiences. These differences can seem subtle at first, but as you become more experienced, these differences will become very clear, if you have a good ear. It will take some time to adjust the characteristics of an Egan, Coyne or Harrington etc. to maintain their unique qualities while making them in modern pitch as well.

Ted

Ted, good points on getting that old-time tone. I don’t argue the value of setting this as a goal, but I don’t want to wait fifteen years for a set either, and I wouldn’t be so arrogant as to waltz into a session and expect everyone else to detune to my pipes.

At this point in my development (admittedly not long) I would rather have a set now and be in tune with everyone else, and then get the purer toned set down the road when I’m better able to appreciate it.

djm

No piper in his right mind would expect a concert pitch session to tune down to his flat pipes…

So what’s become of this returned chanter?
Has it been resold?