Overton D/C modal: In love all overton again

Oh, I’m smitten.

I’ve been meaning to do this beauty justice and write a big full-blown review, but I’ve been busy. You’ll have to settle with this for now.

That’s my woefully meager collection of Overtons. Can you spot the D/C modal? It’s as long as the C and right next to blue hi D. You’ll notice the offset c-hole.

Here is a picture from the Overton webpage:

You can see the extra holes: a c-natural hole at the bottom, off-set, and played with the pinky of the bottom hand (which had better be the right hand; unless you have Colin put it on the other side). The other hole is on the back of the whistle and sounds an f-natural, if played like this:

xxx xx(o)oo

The parentheses show the f-natural hole on the back.

Right. That’s a lot of holes for a whistle. I know you all are worried about my health and hirsute fingertips by now, so let me just pause to say: It’s a long way to Moellenhauer. The D/C modal is a whistle and only a whistle. It has nothing to do with other things that may also have fipples. *shudder

Oh, no you don’t.

It’s a D/C modal whistle. So what is it good for? Obviously, you can play a C-major scale on it, not just D-major and G-major. But there are other very cool aspects. That bottom C, below the D, gives you a D-whistle with the ability to dip below the fundamental. That comes in handy for song airs, which often do such dipping. As I got to know the whistle I discovered that there is much more to it. First, you can play the middle c-natural with that seventh hole, like this: xxx xx(x)xx. The regular oxx ooo c-natural is also in tune (it’s an Overton), but the all-holds-barred c-natural is a bit stronger. And you can slide into the middle d from the c-natural, which is exceptionally cool if you want to freak out a someone who plays the whistle and is listening closely.

I clipped a song, She Moved Through the Fair, to demonstrate. Here is the the recording and here are the dots (vaguely):

Just kidding! Sorry, that wasn’t me on the Overton D/C Modal. Remember those little buzz things kids would hold in their palms to give you a jolt when they shake your hand? Not that it matters. Anyway, here is me playing She Moved Through the Fair (sorta) on my D/C modal. You can hear me really sliding into that second middle d, milking it a bit. She Moved… on Overton D/C modal.

That seventh hole also permits you to roll the D on a D-whistle, tapping the c-natural hole. That should suit all those fine who can’t get enough of rolling the c-natural (which is by the way also very easily done by playing an A-roll with the four fingers of your right hand down). I am just mentioning it, not recommending it, or anything. :wink:

But wait, there’s more, and I’m not talking about the six Japanese steak knives. There is the f-natural hole. That lets you play, um, f-naturals. I like using it for the faster stuff. Great for such tunes as Julia Delaney (no need to switch whistles in a set) or My Marianne, even Give me Your Hand (if you’re so inclined). But that already shows the limitation of the f-natural hole: you can’t bend it. The advantage of half-holing is that you have total control over the pitch of the note. Incidentally, the big problem with half-holing is that you have total control over the pitch of the note. So, I find myself using both. If I want to make the f-natural expressive, which usually means pushing it noticeably sharp, I halfhole. If I just want to go on to the next note, I like the f-natural hole.

Here is another clip (came out a bit sloppy): The Maids of Mitchelstown. There is a characteristic f-natural in the second part. The tune is often played on a C-whistle to give a clear, reliable f-natural. But that is weakness. Real whistlers use a D-whistle and half-hole. Since I have moments of weakness, I’ve used the f-natural hole for the first f-natural and have half-holed the second one. The Sloppy Maids of Mitchelstown.

P.S. Edited to add that you can also use that f-natural hole for very effective rolls. Colin Goldie demonstrated that for me, but I haven’t developed the knack yet.

I have dived right in and have gone on and one about c-naturals and f-naturals. Still, that’s not the important stuff. The important point is that this is a fantastic whistle, strong, balanced, and easy to play. It is not one of Colin’s “easy-blow” whistles, and it requires the player to support his or her breath. The tone is clear and lovely and Cosmic. It’s fairly loud, but not as loud as a Susato. Gorgeous, and I’m in love all over again.

Jeez-- what did you have to go and tell us about that for? :sniffle:

I’ve been curious about those little babies.

BTW-- the blue whistle (D?) in your pic looks just like my anodized Overton A which I love. I got the blue to match my PT Cruiser…

I made a test body tube a while back in D, but with an extension to play a C below the usual bell note D-- it does indeed come in handy once in a while. Otherwise, you can just ignore it and play the whistle like a normal D.

Bloomie! I’m so happy for you!

Yay! Fun to read and fun to listen to. Loved “Maids of Mitchelstown.” But the midi file sounded charmingly naive-- Evil-Lite, if you will-- after spinning the new CD from the truly sinister estrogen-fuled Celtic supergroup (they keep sending them). You will have to try harder. Other than that, another keeper, Bloomfield.

Yes, the anodized Overtons are cool, although I typically prefer just the plain ones.

I’ve spoken about the D/C modals with Colin when he played me two or three over the phone. The length of the tube changes the characteristics of the whistle to some extent, and if I recall correctly it does affect how he makes the mouthpiece. I like the fact that you can play the whistle just like a D whistle. It does blow slightly differently from both the D and C Overton. But then, every Overton I’ve ever played had it’s very own character and personality, so that it’s hard for me to say what is what.

It’s funny: once you do have that bottom C you realize how often you can use it, especially when you use it for the middle c-natural, too.

I assume you could also half-hole the low C hole with the pinky to get a low C#. Have you tried that?

Bob

Hehehe. I think they used an oboe on that CD… :boggle:

I included the midi file so people could hear how She Moved through the Fair should properly sound. When I die, I want to be buried in a polyester suit, and I want a funeral parlor with a shag carpet, plastic flowers, and that particular midi-file playing on auto-repeat.

Bloomfield,

Thanks (I think) for the information. I’ve been interested in these as well and you have made the itch worse. I wish that these were more commonly available among the mid-priced brands. It would give one a chance to fool around without having to commit to a higher end instrument.

Peter

What??? Play a c-natural with an extra hole??? The very thought makes me shudder. :slight_smile:

Nice review, Bloomfield; the whistle looks and sounds great!

Carol

PS Re: your funeral–may I also suggest some overhead lighting directed to the main attraction, possibly red from one side and green from the other? I think it’s the final touch you might have overlooked to give everyone the peace of mind that you are indeed moving on to a better place.
*sniffle

I’ve tried it. Awkward. Works as a party-trick but I cannot see actually using it in a tune. On a low whistle, it’s a different story, you can use your legs (although I’d hate to knock my own dentures out). Anyway, you can’t get the C-natural.

Thanks for all the info on this Bloomfield! I just sent in an order for one of these. About how long is the wait?

Bob

Aaarrggghhh!

I thought that I was over WhOA.

:boggle:

Once you have it, there are only periods where it’s dormant. It never really goes away! :smiley:

Really depends on what Colin has lying around and when he is making what. I understand that he makes different keys whistles in batches. When I ordered mine in December, Colin had two or three ready. Maybe he still has one of those. :slight_smile:

I can speak to the truth of this, from personal experience

:blush:

A couple more Bloomin’ questions. :slight_smile:

  1. From the pictures, it looks like the F hole for the thumb is nearly oposite the E hole or maybe a little lower. Is that about right?

  2. Not sure if you use your right pinky to anchor with. If you do, did you have to change where you put your pinky when you didn’t want the low C?

Thanks,
Bob

That’s right. Looks like the center of the f-nat hole (which is quite small) lies across from the bottom of the E-hole (the hole that you cover to get an E). It is not exactly where I have my thumb playing without an f-nat hole, but it is easy cover the hole and did not take any getting used to. You feel the f-nat hole easily with your thumb.

  1. Not sure if you use your right pinky to anchor with. If you do, did you have to change where you put your pinky when you didn’t want the low C?

I sometimes anchor with my pinky but more usually with my ringfinger (sixth hole) or not at all. It’s not hard to move the pinky between the C-nat hole and the D-hole to anchor, although there is not a lot of room to spare.

What I found the hardest to get used to was playing the f-natural, because you end up with the pointer and index-finger of your right hand down, ring-finger and pinky up, and thumb off the back of the whistle. That feels awkward at first, like you’re not holding onto the whistle anymore. Anchoring with the pinky doesn’t seem to make much difference for this. For example, playing A-Fnat-D you have this fingering sequence:

xxo oo(x)oo
xxx xx(o)oo <------ that’s the hard one
xxx xx(x)xo <------ that’s easy, like pinching

Going from A to the F-nat is hard because you are plopping three fingers down, including two of the right hand, while at the same time taking the support off the bottom of the whistle. What I’ve found helps here is moving the thumb off the f-nat hole but leaving it on the tube. That’s not as easy as it sounds, and I ended up doing it this way:

xxo oo(x)oo
xxo ox(o)oo <------ cover E-hole to anchor, slide thump up, off F-nat hole
xxx xx(o)oo <------ once F-nat sounds, take thumb off tube
xxx xx(x)xo <------ pinch to place thumb and ringfinger for the D

Now I don’t do that so much anymore. It only takes a couple of hours practice (tops), to get pretty used to it. I’ve been busy as I said and haven’t played the whistle nearly as much as I’d like, so I don’t think I’ve explore its full potential; but the getting used to it felt funny rather than difficult.

HTH

A couple of years ago I was going to order a fully (nearly fully?) chromatic whistle from Colin—like this only more so. I believe you need to be a contortionist to play it.

Anyway, I kept on being dissuaded. As I recall Brigitte kept on dropping remarks like ‘Have you rung Colin yet so he can talk you out of it?’ :laughing:

Now this has got me interested again. I figure that you don’t really need a whisitle which gives you everything without half-holing. Bloomie’s new love would give you access to nearly as many keys as a three row concertina gives you easy access to. So, if you had maybe two or three you’d have just about everything covered.

That said, a whistle that allowed for easy fingering of the chromatic parts of a blues scale would be very welcome. Hmmmmm. Shame I’m in the middle of a liquidity crisis.

I just read this thread from the beginning…got distracted momentarily while reading this post from Paul and read the above as: “I made a test tube baby a while back.” !!!

Sorry, Bloo, but the rest of the thread, while interesting, just wasn’t the same.

Susan

Did you ring Colin so he could talk you out of it?