Carol, I think that’s the funniest post I’ve ever seen on C&F! 
Somebody please carry me out of here. Carol that is too funny.
Baroque ornamentation is suprisingly close to much of the Irish ornamentation-I read a very interesting study last year where the author traced the historical development of ornmentation-his theory was that Irish/Scottish ornamentation is deritive of Baroque ornamentation that got stuck in a ‘time warp’-akin to archaic speech in many parts of the New World…
Cool…
Yes, yes, very funny.
You know music probably goes
back a very long time,
maybe millions of years.
Homo something or other
has been around nearly
three million years.
One wonders when it started,
but I’ll betcha it was
early, well before Homo
Sapiens. And when did
instruments begin?
Voice came first,
then percussion, I’ll
betcha. And ornamentation?
Something like that would
have started with drums…
Carol thanks a lot for the lesson. I play OOOOPS A LOT!
MarkB
Well, thanks and kudos to Fred Palmer for his brilliant parody (accurately sited in the original post, btw), which also includes such heretofore little known ornaments as the:
*Thrill (indicated with x’s where the note would be, and usually occuring “at the climax of the piece”)
*Castratement (“A rather sterile ornament which should be cut off as soon as possible”)
and this favorite of wind players, widely used in ITM among Guinness drinkers as well:
*Belchment
Palmer’s “research,” apparently done in cahoots with colleagues at Oberlin and CSU, strives to fulfill the goal common to all such research into early ornamentation: to “not only help create a solidified approach to baroque music but also [to] serve to petrify both musician and scholar alike.” Hats off to this fine team of musicologists, Palmer especially, for their outstanding work.
All I can be credited with is keeping a straight face and never throwing anything funny away. 
And Janice–can you point me to that article? I’m really interested! --Thanks
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I,m glad to learn that they all have names. Those are hilarious!
I am so happy that I asked this question and LMAO at the reference desk. I just showed this to the music librarian and I thought he was going to pee his pants.
Brilliant absolutely brilliant Carol!
Dance to the fiddles in the rhythm of the reels /Dance to the life and the love that you feel / Dance to the song of the one that you love so true / Oh, Life is in the dance you choose. The dance you chose (album)Aselin Debison/Bruce Guthro
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I just showed this to the music librarian and I thought he was going to pee his pants.
Oh yes! We can’t forget the Peeinpantsment! That’s the one you play, all by yourself, during the otherwise dramatic moment of silence, as the conductor glares at you. It is written, of course, as an “accidental.”
Carol
On 2003-02-14 12:34, cskinner wrote:
I just showed this to the music librarian and I thought he was going to pee his pants.
Oh yes! We can’t forget the Peeinpantsment! That’s the one you play, all by yourself, during the otherwise dramatic moment of silence, as the conductor glares at you. It is written, of course, as an “accidental.”
Carol
Carol, you’re absolutely slaying me. Goodness. 
my attention span is low and time is limited, so i haven’t read all the theories, but…
coudn’t it be that whistle ornamentation derives from all those instruments (pipes, fiddles) where you can’t use your tongue to articulate. for me, ornamentation is like giving your fingers a tongue (although, i must admit, i’m very poor at it).
- tom
Absolutely marvelous Carol . Hey,French, If ornamentations are there to give a tongue to your fingers,then I’m afraid that MY fingers can only manage to mumble!
Hi Cskinner-
It was in a dissertation that I got from the University fo Toronto…unfortunately I can’t remember the guy’s name or the exact title but it was pretty fascinating stuff!!
On 2003-02-14 11:28, cskinner wrote:
Well, thanks and kudos to Fred Palmer for his brilliant parody (accurately sited in the original post, btw), which also includes such heretofore little known ornaments as the:*Thrill (indicated with x’s where the note would be, and usually occuring “at the climax of the piece”)
*Castratement (“A rather sterile ornament which should be cut off as soon as possible”)
and this favorite of wind players, widely used in ITM among Guinness drinkers as well:
*Belchment
Palmer’s “research,” apparently done in cahoots with colleagues at Oberlin and CSU, strives to fulfill the goal common to all such research into early ornamentation: to “not only help create a solidified approach to baroque music but also [to] serve to petrify both musician and scholar alike.” Hats off to this fine team of musicologists, Palmer especially, for their outstanding work.
All I can be credited with is keeping a straight face and never throwing anything funny away. >
And Janice–can you point me to that article? I’m really interested! --Thanks
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Are these on-line anywhere? I’d love to share them with my choir (although it would probably take two hours to calm the tenors down enough to get a decent rehearsal out of them!)
Redwolf
Redwolf,
Not that I could see when I did a quick search on Google. The publisher seems to have moved to Oakland–not far from you, eh? Here’s the url.
http://www.publicinterest.com/msep/
Carol