Non-Irish tinwhistle

Needless to say on the “favorite tunes” thread, the vast majority of tunes are Irish tunes. I know the whistle originates in the Irish tradition, but I am curious about its use in other traditions.

Can anyone give me any information about artists using the Irish tinwhistle in non-Irish music. I’m not referring to popular recording artists who want to do the psuedo-celtic thing and throw in a few whistle licks here and there, but someone/anyone doing some serious playing some other style on the tinwhistle, or incorporating it into their music. Artists? CD’s?

Blaine

Billy Novick, a jazz clarinetist use to play some jazz penny whistle and had some recordings in the late 70s/early 80s with his partner Guy Van Duser on Green Linnet Recordsbut they are unavailable at the moment. Maybe if we bugged Green Linnet they would re-issue them.

Joe

There’s some tin whistle on Dixie
Chicks cuts. There is a lot of potential
for whistles in American folk music
and blues, but I don’t know any
recordings. I guess country and western
is the extra-celtic music where I
hear the most whistle.

I decided that my last post was too argumentative and off topic so I tried to delete it, but it wouldn’t let me, so here is the vestige of a rant.

Rant :slight_smile:

My apologies to those of you that read it in its less abbreviated form.

Blaine, I’ve heard some wonderful traditional Romanian, Greek, Jewish, South American and Near Eastern tunes that were being played on whistle, but that were not on a CD. You may wish to look in those traditions.

Erik

[ This Message was edited by: ErikT on 2001-08-14 10:56 ]

This might not be exactly what you meant but:
I’m just listening to De Dannan’s ‘Welcome to the Hotel Connemara’.

It is a lovely collection of pop and rock songs played on Irish instruments. Standards such as: Bohemian Rhapsody; Take to the Limit; Parisian Walkways; River Deep Mountian High; When a Man Loves a Woman; It’s Over and LOve Hurts are all given the trad. treatment. It’s worth a listen.

More in keeping with your question is Phil Hardy’s album ‘Low Whistle’ which hardly has any Irish ‘feel’ to it - more jazzy, Latin-american type stuff.

Steve

[ This Message was edited by: StevePower on 2001-08-14 15:39 ]

I’ve got a Guy Van Duser tape like Joe referred to – the opening track starts with Billy Novick leaning into Sweet Georgia Brown on pennywhistle a whoooole lot like someone would tackle it with jazz clarinet. It’s a Rounder recording for Book-of-the-Month club, 1977, titled just Guy Van Duser - Finger-Style Guitar Solos. Just keep Guy in mind as you rummage at your favorite used-music-seller – Novick isn’t mentioned anywhere on the outside of the cassette case.

– Jake

I found some descriptions of an African music called Kwela on the web but didn’t run across any sound samples. This type of music uses pennywhistles. Anybody have any of this? It sounds really interesting.

Steve

I’m surprised Kwela has not come up yet. Kwela is the pennywhistle music that was made popular in the US by Paul Simon on his Graceland release where he borrowed liberally from the musics of South Africa. John Skelton plays a version of Tom Hark on Another Setting with the House Band. Tom Hark is one of the most known Kwela tune according to some article I found on the net. Anyways there is this thread from coolboard that addressed Kwela music and sources pretty well.

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[ This Message was edited by: Mark_J on 2001-08-14 16:24 ]

Oh, I failed to mention. Kwela is pennywhistle music that was developed by children in South Africa during the 1950’s. It is unique.

[ This Message was edited by: Mark_J on 2001-08-14 16:43 ]

I beleive the tin whistle is played a lot by African musicians.I cant offer any specific tunes,artist or cds although I do have a cd called Afro celt sound system volume 1 with Davy Spillane and Ronan Browne thats pretty incredible.Anything by Abdul Abrahim akna Dollar Brand would be worth checking out and I realy enjoy playing his composition the wedding song on low whistle. Nice topic Blaine. Mike

Has anyone ever seen “The Power of One”? There’s a scene in it of South African children playing tin whistles. The tune appears on the soundtrack as “The Pennywhistle Song.” It’s really, really hard to be depressed when listening to this song. (: Is this an example of “Kwela”?

Tom

ErikT, it looks like your rant is no longer on the server. IMO its too bad because I like to read a good rant from an intelligent person :wink: Hey, maybe I’ll write my own …

For some people it seems that Irish music is the “end all and be all of whistle music”. Maybe for these folks Irish music this is true but for me it isn’t. Don’t get me wrong, I like Irish music too but I like other kinds of music as well. As a result I would like to see broader discussions about other types of whistle music. (Note - I hope somebody doesn’t misinterpret my remarks as criticism or desparagement of Irish music, culture, or people).

Not too long ago on this message board there was a posting from someone (I don’t recall his name) who purchased some handmade whistles from a street vendor in Romania. I find it hard to believe that local Romanians who purchase them do so for the (sole) purpose of playing Irish music. To me, logic dictates that there must be at least some Romanian music that can be played on them.

Blaine, many early American fife tunes can be played on a whistle. Bill Och’s book has a few of them. Little kids love them because many of them are lively, marching tunes. Many early american folk tunes can also be played on a whistle. I do not know of any recordings though, sorry. There is a Indie record label at http://www.redhouserecords.com/ that has lots of american folk, blues, roots music. I do not know if any feature whistles prominently (but I’ve never looked). You could also see http://www.mabels.com/anthology.html for a neat anthology of american folk music. Another source is http://www.susato.com where you can find native american flute/recorder music.

I think part of the problem is that the commercial music industry only promotes a set of separate but individually homogenous music forms which are marketed to the masses - boy bands, girl bands, rap, rock, pop, reggae, country/western, techno, etc. I think of it as “the fast food of music” - hamburgers, subs, pizza, etc - each is an individual and distinct group but each is relativley homogenous within itself (and IMO mostly mass-produced crap). Unfortunately, it is now next-to-impossible to get a major label to produce music that is “different” than an existing (and highly profitable) form. One of the few artists who have done it in recent years is Loreena McKennitt - and she did it with her own money and without the help of a major label.

The result of this mess is that we sadly witness the loss of so many wonderful music traditions on an unprecedented global scale.

Anyway, I listen to (and play rather poorly) the musical traditions that I like and I hope others do the same.

To thine ownself be true.

Gary

Andean folk music sounds great on a whistle. Most Andean music is in G (quenas are end blown flutes in G). The low version of a quena, quenacho, is tuned in D. The melody lines are usually very simple leaving the individual to come up with variations.

Andean music is very much an oral tradition so finding sheet music is very difficult but there are a large number of great bands out there. My Burke blends in well with panpipes but hasn’t got a chance competing with a quena. Quenas are loud with a capital L.

Mark V.

Sheesh,

I step out for a while and replies pour in from everywhere. and regrettably, I have to step back out so I’ll make this quick and reply at length later (I know you’re all quivering with anticipation.)

First thanks for all the replies. Even yours Erik :slight_smile: I understood your point completely, perhaps I just didn’t clarify my terms good enough.

Blaine

Marriachi music sounds great on a whistle

I have and old LP by a fantastic Romanian gypsy nai (panpipe) player. I’ve often thought that that stuff would be great on the whistle. Anybody tried anything like that? Some of the tunes have extinsive chromatic passages so you’d have to be pretty handy with half-holing.

Steve

India?
I was playing my whistle during lunch one day. A collegue said i sucked, in so many words. and I said, “oh, yeah, how many tinwhistlers do you know that could do better”. and she said it’s very popular instrument in India and some other things about people lying dead in the gutter playing better than me, etc. etc.
So I can’t point you to any cd’s or anything, just this anecdote that’s it very popular in other parts of the world.
jb

I hope you didn’t take it personally. (Are they really that good in India?)
ps: I liked your comeback.
Tony

Hrmmm… I don’t think that the tinwhistle (at least not the tinwhistle as we know it) is a popular instrument in India. You friend was probably just pulling your leg. It might be though, that its an instrument that looks like a tinwhistle, because they’re just so many end blown 5-6 hole instruments in many different cultures.

I supose he was refering to those snake charmers.An overton low D would be useful for keeping the beast at a safe distance and you could hit him over the head with it if he made a go at you(the cobra,that is!):)Mike

I’ve heard appalachian folk tunes played on whistles before. This shouldn’t be surprising, though, as a lot of irish, scottish, and welsh settlers ended up in the appalachians, but whatever…