Low F vs F#

I was just wandering what the difference is between the two sounds. I figured one is sharper than the other :stuck_out_tongue:

But just how different are they?

Also I’ve been looking at the Susato Low F’s and I was wondering what is the difference between the M series and L series Low F.
I know the L series has a larger bore diameter, which makes it louder right?

Sorry, Leachim, your question isn’t really clear. What do you mean by “low”?. The difference between the equal tempered notes F and F# is one half step or semitone, a minor 2nd interval, 100 cents, two adjacent keys on a piano, a multiplicative frequency ratio of the twelfth root of 2 (~1.059463094359). F = 698.5 Hz and F# = 740.0 Hz in the first octave of a high D whistle. F# is higher in pitch than F by definition. Is that what you mean?

If you mean low F vs F# whistles … the two are pitched a semitone apart. See above.

An F# whistle might be useful for playing B tunes with G fingering along with a piper playing a flat set in B. Or for transposing scored parts in non-trad keys. Otherwise F is far more used in ITM.

If you can explain what lead to your question, it might help! :slight_smile:

Maybe, maybe not. Darker tone, and the larger windway takes more air.

TMI!!!

one fret

done

I could not say it better and that’s no lie. Cheers.

MTGuru,

I meant Low F and F# whistles :blush: …What my question really meant was: is that semitone differential maintained through out the entire scale on those whistles?, or is it only on the F or F# note?

XXX XXX is F or F#
XXX OOO is Bb or B

or…yeah, for any fingering on a F and a F# whistle the F will be a 1/2 step lower than the F#

Ah OK, I think I understand …

Yes, the entire scales are a semitone apart. Every note on the F# whistle is a half-step higher than the same-fingered note on the F whistle. It’s not just that the F# whistle plays an F# instead of an F natural.

Whistles are identified by the lowest note – the “bell” note you get when all 6 fingers are down. That note is also the tonic starting note of the natural (major) scale of the whistle. So in this case, the scales you get are

F whistle: F G A Bb c d e f
F# whistle: F# G# A# B c# d# e# f#

(Yes, that’s really an e# … it’s enharmonically the same as f-natural, but has to be written that way so that there’s one of every letter-name note in the scale!)

You’re right … It’s possible to make, say, a D whistle that plays an F-natural instead of F#. The scale you’d get would be an “ascending D melodic minor scale”, or a D Dorian scale if you play c-natural. The latter would actually be useful in ITM, but it’s just not the way whistles and other ITM winds developed.

Hope that helps!

P.S. Sorry for mis-spelling Michael backwards. :slight_smile:

Okay thanks, thats exactly what I wanted to know.
Sorry for the confusion :stuck_out_tongue:

Thought I’d chime in here with what I know about this as I recently had Mack Hoover build me a low F# in CPVC. As expected from him, it is one fine whistle and very reasonably priced. I got it mostly so I’d have something else to play in the key of B.
There aren’t too many F# whistles available. Other makes available from what I’ve seen are Burke, Susato, Humphrey, and Overton. These makers along with Mack are the only ones I know that have a full range of whistle keys and provide a variety of building material, prices, and sounds.