On 2003-02-24 14:59, Zubivka wrote:
Just to mention the baroque recorder is what gives this instrument its bad reputation (and actually provoked its downfall from “classic” music after the Baroque period).
Bless that Johann the Whistle Maker!
Jon, seems that you might want to try a 10-hole Overtone High D. The thing looks almost like a recorder/whistle hybrid. The mouthpiece still is Overtone so that’s the saving grace. Anyway, Colin makes them on order, and I think it’s not a problem to make a Soprano D with extra C (same as Silk D+). If you insist, he’d make you a 9-hole whistle, too!
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Three years ago I offered 7-hole whistles and the comment was “whistle players don’t like them”.
This is pretty fickle fipple industry.
The Kingflute is a 7 hole bamboo whistle, in C or low G, and I can attest they are indeed very easy to play.
On 2003-02-24 17:06, Tony wrote:
If you had a TEN HOLE whistle, would it fall out of your hands when you play the highest note?
Not if you used one of these thumb-rests Susato sells for a dime a dozen.
BTW… Sankt Théôbøhm the Bäld made a similar contraption in his flutes, for a rest in the left hand to relieve stress in the grip… OK, this didn’t catch on much. Worse, I’ve seen some original Böhms and Lots sold with a mention “rest dismantled”… and lost.
On 2003-02-24 22:06, Daniel_Bingamon wrote:
Three years ago I offered 7-hole whistles and the comment was “whistle players don’t like them”.This is pretty fickle fipple industry.
… or a pretty fad-prone fipple consumer.
To me, I see too many pipe tunes in mixolydian scale, which do need a full tone below “tonal”. Your typical low G on bagpipes.
This the reason why most bombards here in Brittany have a double-key extending their range below their major Bb (aka pipe A).
Of course one can use an Eb whistle to play such Bb tunes.
The thing is, you’ll be constantly riding over two octaves, while them “reed” guys enhance with ornaments what remain one-octave tunes.
With a Bb whistle offering an extra Ab hole, I’ll save breath compared to the Eb whistle, and also I have the choice of playing either alto in 1st register or in sopranino 2nd.
Now this occasional “top A” pipe tones will need overblowing to 2nd, resp. 3rd register. I can do with that, better than asking for an 8th hole, thumb A, which will be immediately confused with a recorder vent hole. 
Though I never heard anyone commenting a chanter looks like a recorder…
Walden, what’s this cool black thing with a warthog nose, 2nd from right ? Impressive…
[ This Message was edited by: Zubivka on 2003-02-25 03:01 ]
If all whistles had 7 holes, BAGFED would be called BAGFEDC, and that’s not nearly so snappy a name.
On 2003-02-25 06:30, Martin Milner wrote:
If all whistles had 7 holes, BAGFED would be called BAGFEDC, and that’s not nearly so snappy a name.
Right you are, Martin Milner 1.
On 2003-02-24 14:59, Zubivka wrote:
Renaissance wide-bore recorders sound loud and good, and don’t have pig-nosed double holes.
I don’t know of many original Baroque instruments with this type of double holes, though they are common on neo-Baroque instruments.
On 2003-02-25 02:59, Zubivka wrote:
Walden, what’s this cool black thing with a warthog nose, 2nd from right ? Impressive…
Left to right:
• An original Baroque recorder.
• A Csakan or similar 19th Century keyed recorder.
• Another Romantic-era recorder.
• A Baroque recorder.
So that’s one… What tone is this csakan tuned in (Alto F ?), and how does it sound ?
If it ain’t baroque, don’t fix it.
Jef
On 2003-02-25 11:50, Zubivka wrote:
What tone is this csakan tuned in (Alto F ?), and how does it sound ?
I have no information on this particular instrument. The photos are from this site: http://perso.club-internet.fr/cjsax/diaporama/diap.html . Nicholas Lander had this to say of Csakans, “Initially the instrument was equipped with a d# key (as on the older transverse flute) and had a range of 2 octaves and a fifth corresponding to the notation c’-g’‘’ but sounding ab’-eb’‘’', which is to say that the csakan was considered a transposing instrument in ab. By 1815 up to 13 keys might be added, along with a tuning-slide and a device for narrowing the thumb-hole. By ca 1820, instrument manufacturers provided csakan modelled after other woodwind such as the oboe and clarinet. Such csakans had keys for g#, f, f#, bb, a b/c trill key, a low d# and a low c# …”
Csakans are made by,
Elmar Hofmann
Flaschenhofstr. 2, D-90402 Nuremberg
Germany
and
Paetzold
Schwabenstraße 14, D - 87640 Ebenhofen
Germany
telephone: +49 (0)83 42 89 91 11