Any good exercises (other than playing) to increase finger independence? A and B rolls…
If you’re having trouble with L hand ornamentation, you’re probably holding/gripping the flute with L hand fingers, increasing pressure and making free, controlled movement harder. Look to your support technique and posture. A good Rockstro style support should obviate such problems, freeing up your L-hand fingers to move as you wish. Problems with L-hand cuts, taps and rolls almost always come down to this.
Excellent. I had not considered this as an issue. Reading about Rockstro now and excited about the potential benefit. Thanks!
This demonstration and the first supplementary one linked in the YT blurb are on Böhm flutes, but exactly the same principle applies to simple system or keyless flutes. The other one linked there may also help.
https://youtu.be/lssGAtVBS_8
See also Terry McGee’s pages on Nicholson’s and Rockstro’s prescriptions on support (and tone).
I definitely use my right hand little finger to support. My right hand thumb rests under the tube. It is awkward to “push” away with the right hand thumb. My left hand is doing what he says in the video, for the most part. I am trying to be conscious of not using my left thumb, and that seems natural.
“He” in the video is me! 
There’s barely any force in the pushing away with the R thumb - see the second video for the theory and try it out! It is hard to master the tendency to grip with the L hand if you do not feel confident both consciously and subconsciously that the flute is secure. Also, with R thumb underneath you risk transferring any gripping to the R hand if you succeed in freeing up the L one!
A relaxed grip is pretty important, and it is one of the things that a teacher could/should address at the very start of your flute path; Even on a keyless flute.
I changed to the Rockstro style grip when I got a keyed flute. Also, I had to learn to drop the death-grip with my left-hand thumb when I started playing the Bb key. My right thumb pushes out a little, to balance the missing left thumb. Right pinkie is down unless it mustn’t be (D note and E-rolls).
For a while, the base of my left forefinger would get sore after long playing, but I rarely notice that anymore.
Admittedly such changes are awkward if you have embedded other habits, but now my grip is much more relaxed than before. My right-hand fingers float gently above the holes. My back and shoulders are more comfortable.
tstermitz, please, please, please, please don’t call how you hold/support an instrument a “grip”! 
That distinction is strange for me as a non-native speaker. “Grip” is “Griff” in German, which can just mean “fingering” like on a guitar. “Gitarrengriffe” would be “guitar fingerings”. Nowhere is it implied in the German word “Griff” that it’s tight or strained.
So what would you call the “Rockstro-grip”? “Rockstro-fingering”? “Rockstro-hold”? Just curious.
Yes! We do ourselves a disservice when we call the way we hold the flute a “grip.” It brings up images of hanging on for dear life. One my early teachers used to tell me to think those fingers I am using to make the notes as if they were made of cooked spaghetti. First you get the foundation down with the balance, then the moving fingers dance, with as much upward motion as downward actually. Even the term “striking” can give us the wrong impression. Power moves on the flute are unnecessary and likely to cause injury. I think of terms like sliding, tapping and bouncing to describe what my fingers are doing.
“Rockstro hold/support”, or, better since Rockstro didn’t invent it, “3-point support (method/system)”.
Sedi, in English “grip” definitely has an implication of force.
Ah! Sorry, I didn’t realize. I’m doing all this from my phone, and my eyesight ain’t what it used to be.
I hope I haven’t done myself too much of a disservice. I’ve been playing casually for 5 or 6 years now. Hopefully I will be able to make these changes.
I’m not sure this will help much with my A and B rolls, though, as it seems my left hand has been doing what it should already. I’ll have to spend some more time playing tonight.
I was wondering what I should do with my flute hold?
I have short pinkies! This has made it difficult for me to support the flute with my Right pinky.
Should I try using the piper approach with my right hand? When I use my right finger pads my pinky reaches the flute. I do find it more difficult to fully seal the holes. I am used to using my finger tips!
Please have a look at the video link I gave up-thread and the videos linked from the blurb for that one on YouTube!
In orthodox thinking (FWTW) you should not use your little fingers as part of your flute support in playing posture - both have keys to operate, and although the R one should be opening the Eb key most of the time (any type of flute with one), that should not be part of the support system, or no more than as an auxiliary - that applies whether you adopt “Rockstro” (R thumb pushing the side of the tube) or R thumb underneath “balancing” or “piper’s” hold.
When you say “use my R finger pads”, which ones do you mean? If the outermost ones, that’s fine - people don’t generally use the very tips of their fingers except maybe L1 & 2. Having your R fingers a bit flatter (but still with some curve in them) to use the top joint pads (under the fingernails) is not “piper’s hold” - that involves pushing the fingers farther across the tube and using the crease below the top joint or the pad of the 2nd joint!
I watched the video. I see what you mean now. Thanks!
I made the switch from holding the flute in the way it felt most naturally secure without any tuition to a rockstro hold a few months ago. This was in anticipation of getting a keyed flute in the near future. It feels awkward at first but with time it becomes more natural. One of the side effects of using this hold was that I was able to gain a lot of dexterity in my fingers while playing and this has markedly improved the clarity and consistency of my finger ornamentations. I also do a number of drills to improve taps, cuts, rolls etc provided to me by my teacher. But I believe without altering my hold, progress would have been much slower.
I will say, I’m still struggling a bit in removing the right little finger as a support. But working on it.
Jemtheflute, thanks for the video. Your right thumb in the video appears to be touching the underside of the key-operating rods, which would support the Boehm flute from below. I’ve tried Rockstro several times over the years on simple system flutes, which of course have no rods. Every time I put a finger down to cover a hole, particularly D, E or F#, the unsupported flute slips off my right thumb and falls. What am I missing? Do you have a video of Rockstro on a simple system flute with no rods?
Ryarbrough - did you follow the links on YT to the other two related videos? The dangling R thumb one deals with several different systems. I haven’t made a specific equivalent to 1 & 2 on simple system, but it really is exactly the same except it’s easier because you haven’t got a rotationally unbalanced mechanism trying to roll the tube around as on Böhm!
I can assure you absolutely that I do not touch the axle rods with my R thumb on the Böhm flutes - that would potentially interfere with the key actions and is a big no-no.
I have very many simple system videos on which you can see my personal support method - some showing it from different angles, though not specifically discussing support.
Here are the main support ones already referred to plus some others which may be useful:
C# Rolls on Flute (over the break, all fingers off/moving fast - requires stability!)
A tune video shot from above showing posture and key use: https://youtu.be/x-YtURdkyck
A flute demo video showing (in one set) flute support from end on and below - from 12’30": https://youtu.be/aFtrJjypoYA
I’ve noticed two modern flute players that seem to support the flute with their right hand thumb. This leads me to believe it’s at least possible to play well this way.
I’m still going to try to master the support you recommend, but I’m curious what you think of their hold.