I’ve started an Eb prototype, It plays bottom Eb, and Hard Eb like a champ… Here’s where I have the problem… I’ve never dealt with the Eb key before… Before i start drilling tone holes, and filling them in, and re-drilling to get it just right.. I need to know what all the notes(tone holes) are on an Eb chanter, I’m sure their are some sharps… 
Thanks… I’ll get some pics and soundbytes when finished…
Everything would be one half-step up from D:
D => Eb/D#
E => F
F# => G
G => G#/Ab
A => A#/Bb
B => C
C# => D
djm
Thanks…Thats what I needed just wanted to make sure…
Would this be called a “flarp (flat/sharp)” chanter? It’s not in concert pitch, so it would be flat, but it is pitch higher than “D” so it is sharp. 
I think wide/narrow bore would be more of a consideration.
No E(b)
So you are saying that a Concert Pitch chanter is called so because it is wide bore, not because is in “D”?
This sounds like it would be a great idea for children to learn on.
I’t sure seem’s like its going to be a bit on the short side… 
It’s been done before… I think Glands owned one.
Well, not exactly, but I am saying that wide bores are a characteristic of the vast majority of concert pitch chanters. So the Eb chanter is “concert pitch style” (i.e. wide bore) or “flat” style (narrow bore).
Brian McKeagney (Gabriel’s son) is the proud owner of an Alain Froment practice set in F. I’m pretty sure he acquired it from the good Doctor.
No E
Correction… the one Glands had was in F:
http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=14406&sid=23eb3ddd66f2daa56d70a8adae9fbaa9
Yes; for all practical purposes (and to save typing), CP == widebore D.
You occasionally see someone say “WBCP” i.e. wide bore concert pitch, to distinguish from narrow bore d (“NBD”).
(classic type) “Flat” chanters are primarily distinguished by having a narrow bore and small lfingerholes, it changes the tone, volume, and playing characteristics dramatically. Usually these narrow bore chanters are flat of modern D, thus the convenient shorthand name.
Nowadays there are some chanters that fall into the cracks between, e.g. some so-called ‘narrow bore D’ chanters are considerably wider than the classic (pre 20th century) narrow bore chanters whatever the pitch. Same goes for some modern ‘flat’ chanters. But these hybrids have a bit of a tarnished reputation.
Bill
How are you deciding when they are ‘just right’ ?
I’m sure you have heard all the stuff about just intonation versus equal temperament before, but for anyone reading, I’d suggest not using an electronic tuiner to tune these, at least other than the ‘bell note’ and ‘back note’, i.e. check that you’re really in ‘eflat’ - just tune the back “d” and bottom “d” to Eflat and then let a drone/your ears be the guide. (Preferably a drone).
Everyone I know refers to the notes on “flat” chanters “as though it were in D”, i.e. the bottom note and back note are always called ‘D’ even if the chanter “plays in B” or C or whatever, same goes for chanters that are pitched sharp of A=440. (So if I’m playing a B chanter and I say “the Fsharp in the first octave is flat”, I am referring to the note played with the middle finger up on the bottom hand.)
It has been done:
Belonging to a piper from Hamburg, made by Andreas Rogge in plumwood. A boy in my class in willie week years ago had one too. They don’t sound too nice though…
/Morten
… pretty shrill from what I have heard.
Check out Pat D’Arcy’s site for a D# set made by Willie Rowsome:
In the Davey S. tutor in he mentions chanter’s made in the Eb key, for me It’s just an experiment, and I will probably make a few and send them to a couple of you guys to keep ,and let me know what you think… Cheers, Seth
The Taylors were designing their chanters to US concert pitch of the 1880’s - around 450/455hz. I seem to recall that O’Neill states that Touhey’s pipes played even sharper than this and would guess probably close to modern Eb.
Might be an idea to see if anyone has details of Touhey’s set and is willing to share them.
Does Joe Mc Kenna play in Eb?