Disturbing Development

Well, my dedication paid off. Turns out this character’s site is not only back up at a new URL, but he’s linked or re-linked to at least a couple of good makers and is still using big-name endorsements, (Francie Mc Peake III at this time) so you can all give him a call at his new phone number (if it works and he doesn’t hang up on you pretending to have a bad connection over and over) or try his new email (if it doesn’t come back claming he’s exceeded his mailbox or is returned for some other error for the next couple of years) or go look up the new address that is markedly different from the one the at which he was known to reside scarce weeks ago.

The only significant change I can see is the removal of one or two implied endorsements, and the removal of some drawings or modification of the reedmaking graphics “borrowed” from another reedmaker’s site.

Check the “repairman’s” site first:

http://www.geocities.com/uilleann_pipe_reeds/

Then check:

http://home.wxs.nl/~HartDD/Reed/reed7.html

And I think you’ll see where those (I think new) photos came from.


1 Links to this “repairman’s” site are on Seth Gallegher’s site again. This I think is where I finally decided years ago the guy must be legit because my main stick is a Gallegher and Seth is very particular about who makes reeds for his chanters etc, and I didn’t think Seth would want anyone other than himself working on his chanter as implied by linking to this guy unless he was a class act. Seth also had a look at the chanter before sending it to O’Hare and was the one who first tentatively identified it as a Johnny Burke, probable an early/variant work. (Turned out O’Dowd, but close.)

2 Links to this site are on Alan Ginsberg’s web site again/still.

3 O’Hare’s page one quote:

“Along with his style and some new ideas of my own I have found this to be an extremely effective style of reedmaking. So much so that any set of pipes I have come across, my style of reedmaking has never failed to give a perfect 440 pitch along with a rich and sweet tone.”

This is manifestly untrue, not even his apologists have made this argument on his behalf, and most argued that this is an impossible claim and I am an unfair fool for trying to claim he made it. Since he obviously never got a reed to work at all in my case and went to hacking up the chanter in a desperate and wholly unskilled, ignorant attempt to live up to this claim, this ad copy constitutes grossly false advertising.

4 “Acknowledgements” page quote:

“An on a final note (hahahaha) if you cant be bothered to make reeds and you need pipes either restored, repaired in anyway or just need reeds made then contact me also. Below are my contact details…”

His best apologists here have claimed him to be but a “schoolboy” and suggested that I have pressured him into taking this sort of work against his will it seems, and that I am “abusing” him by making public complaint and offering my warning to others against these claims this “boy” has made, as a result of his patently brutal butchery of my chanter.

Oddly enough, his greatest proponents have thus far only disparaged my “attitude,” invented elaborate, conspiratorial fantasy scenarios to explain why I’d just whack my own chanter to pieces, or why this “boy” should be commended for not returning it to me because of my gruff tone, yet not one has come forward to say, “I know him, he’s made me great reeds, and rebuilt my Kennedy’s, or Coynes, or Rowesomes, or Taylors beautifully.”

A couple of noted pipe makers and players from this forum have in fact informed me privately and publicly here that he is a wee lad, has no shop, no training in pipe making or repairing, and as I have seen personally, no tools to speak of, doesn’t seem to own or have access to a reamer of any sort, apparently including a decent round file or supply of sandpaper and a bit to make a hole with and then smooth it out a bit. And, how then was I, or would anyone else be able to surmise this from his web site? It should be plain to all that this wholly commercial, entirely self- promotional advertising copy is clearly intended to deceive the potential customer, isn’t it?

5 Picture from web site:

This site photo is the same as the one up for at least three years, I saw it two and a half years ago, and my best guess from the photo would have been late teens, 17-18 to early 20’s. Again, that was three years ago. He doesn’t look much like a little “schoolboy” to me.

So, go to my own photos and short commentaries:

http://home.comcast.net/~pmlerwick/wsb/html/view.cgi-image.html--SiteID-1228572.html

Have a look, and ask yourself if you really want to send anything overseas for reeding to this guy. You have all the information on both sides, I’ve been fair about it.

If you’d sent a chanter off to this “schoolboy” and got it back only after two years of trying to find him, trying to get somebody to knock on his door and personally retrieve it, only to find he’d obviously clamped it in a vise or pliers leaving huge, gouged channels in the side, that every hole had been filled very crudely and moved down a good centimeter or so, that the filled holes weren’t even completely finished off, that there were drill skitters and divots around every hole he worked, that the final holes were double their original size (meaning they could have as well just stayed put as the size defeated the move) and inside were a collection of splinters as the holes had been ripped through more than drilled and left jagged, that all the pins had been removed and beaver-chewed, then forced back in randomly in the wrong blocks so some stuck out and some were stuffed way into the wood, that having lost or destroyed one pin, the Fnat key was just sent along loose, the “repairman” manifesting no ability to simply make another one, and that after all that time and effort, not only was no reed of any sort produced, much less the allegedly universally successfull, perfectly tuned and toned O’Hare Special, but despite paying in advance over twice the going rate for a reed, and then paying again 18 pounds postage to somebody else who would actually get what was left of the chanter from him and put it in the mail, that the brand-new reed sent out from a real reedmaker for comparison was kept or lost or destroyed as well, and never came back, would you be happy?

And all complaints about non-playability non-craftsmanship aside, forget the obvious fact that the only thing he could have probably “re-reamed” this chanter with as he claimed, would have been a big fat twist drill down the throat just to see what it did, I would have simply never got this thing back at all. The “lad” would have simply taken my 100 pounds sterling, kept the new reed I sent him, and left it thrown carelessly in the grimey corner it was obviously dug out of when finally collected.

But please, lets just drop this “poor beset schoolboy” nonsense, because this character has been and is now still broadcasting on my side of the pond, aggressively advertising his advanced skill and experience in reed making and “pipe repair.” He’s got a new host and new endorsements and he’s making very very bold claims and soliciting people to send their instruments to him for “any sort” or repair or reedmaking. The second you do that you become a “public personality” and legally, morally, fair game for complaints about your marketing claims in particular.

I have a few.

Royce

Interesting.

Anybody gonna step up and tell us how well, if at all, this person has done on making reeds for them? He must be know to some of you re: his reedmaking abilities.

Royce who made your drones and regs? They look very much like mine. I have never seen another set looking like mine and would like to know the maker

Yep I took another look my set is identical to the one in your pics except I have new reg keys made for mine by Allan Moller

But please can we just drop this whole nonsensical subject? Hasn’t it been beaten into the dust enough for this month? :roll: We’ve all had plenty of fair warning. Enough is enough.

Come now Brian, you surprise me. After all, we had to listen to you whine about David Daye ad nauseum. Might as well give Royce his day as well.
jd

or, in this case…give Royce his Daye :laughing: -rimshot- these are the jokes, folks…

Have to be honest…I don’t quite know what I’d do if I found myself in Royce’s shoes…

What I see is a simple website like there are many I have seen dozens of websites for pipers and whistlers who claim to be things they are not [players performers teachers] if you believe everything your read don’t you think you should blame yourself too? Sending your stuff to someone virtually nobody has heard of without checking credentials is taking a risk and you got burned. Let it be, give us a break.

Royce still knows how to get the ratings going. As I said before, he’s the JR from Dallas to this forum. But what about something fresh for a change, this is very old news.

Seamus :devil:

Hmmm, that’s the first time I’ve heard this JD. Interestingly enough, many also replied both on and off board with similar experiences to mine regarding his business ethics and quality of workmanship. This isn’t “some poor college kid”. And while you may believe my situation to be similar to Royce’s, it was a whole different can of worms. I invite you to re-read those posts and what the troubles were/are with Daye’s work and business practices.

I also received lots of good advice and help to get me by until the day comes that a new chanter can be afforded. Don’t ever remember posting anything nearly this aggressive (along with pictures) trying to make my point. Mostly of all I was interested to find if others have had the same experience and found out that many have and the problems I described were not a simple oops or isolated mistake on Daye’s part.

Best.

B~

Royce,

What identifies it as an O’Dowd? I remember said chanter/clarinet and I’ve said before, I had to make something like a C reed with tape and rushes to get it to play in any musical fashion and it was unplayable at that even. That chanter will/would never work. I told you that at the time. If you’d heeded my advice it would never have been sent to anyone again and you would not have lost any more money. Your own bad luck. I know a publican of repute who will give you £50 for the remains.

Alan

Yes, it went from your hands to his almost directly under your recommendations that it may have problems he couldn’t fix with a reed and if that was his determination I wanted it back as soon as possible for the ivory. At the time it seemed reasonable to spare the inseption of a thousand-dollar chanter project when (it was claimed) a 50 dollar reed would do.

The Ivory by the way is worth about 150 pounds if you can get it and the cap and stop valve have a market value of about 140 pounds. Yes, I’ve priced replacements. And oddly enough, I wouldn’t have ever sent it to anyone except for dissassembly had the man in question not sent me a personal email telling me he was very familiar with (then thought to be Burke) and he shouldn’t have any trouble reeding it up, since, as we see, he’s never failed.

Sure you probably have a lot of scrap chanters and scrap ivory floating around over there, but a chanter of any kind here is rare indeed, and ivory mounts are essentially unattainable these days.

As far as it being an O’Dowd, well I’m not dragging anyone else into this ever again, except to say that it was floated around to more than one who nailed it with almost absolute certainty. Likewise, these folks tell me the chanter length is not unusual for O’Dowd, neither is a wide throat/bore, which is probably compensated for by length and a particularly long reed of weird proportions blade and staple wise. They tell me these chanters range from very good to for the most part not much to shout about, with a few very exceptionally good ones.

There is some thought it may have been a C# chanter, which I wondered myself for a while, but I’m told by those connected to the guy who still has all the tools that made it, it was a concert D.

All of which is academic at this point because I think it’s had a drill run down the throat or had some reamer run up it as he claimed, but that may be blarney, and of course every single hole has been filled and re-ripped way down the chanter, so the "original’ reeds would be worthless now anyway.

And remember, you actually made a reed that worked pretty well in it, at least the lower octave, and you got it back to me within weeks. It was practically in the mail before I thought to ask about it. My chief complaint is the simple fact that this object in whatever shape was never returned at all. Neither was your reed.

I wish I had that reed because it went well in a couple of other chanters I have and a new staple on that thing would have tweaked it just right.

Our of curiosity, what kind of cane do you use to get that nice bright tone?

Royce

Royce,

I get that snappy tone from using co, but I generally find spanish cheaper and more beneficial to my health :wink:

Alan

What’s “co” Alan? Is that something like TLC? :smiley:

Royce, what’s the size of the throat in your chanter? If you have some drill bits in 1/64" increments, what’s the largest that will slip through the throat (for close proximation), and is the throat narrowest at the base of the reed seat (approx 1/2" from top of chanter), or does it become cylindrical below the reed seat for a certain length before the tapering starts? And What’s the dimension of the bore at the bottom? And the sounding length of the chanter, top of reed seat to bottom of chanter?

Could you post a photo of the entire chanter? Maybe you’ve done this already, but I missed it. A side by side with another chanter would be interesting too.

For me, this would be of vital importance. These dimensions and a photo would be worth a thousand words.

BTW, you mentioned that Alans reed worked good in the lower octave. I’ve heard that just about any reed will work there basically, even if the bore is cylindrical. It’s the upper octave in relation to the lower that really matters.

yes, crappy reeds in cylindrical bores can be made to play in tune in the lower octave, but never in the upper.

i know this from personal experience - my first experiment with making a pvc chanter.

-sheepish grin- :blush:

[quote=“Lorenzo”]What’s “co” Alan? Is that something like TLC? :smiley:
quote]

More like LSD. :boggle:

Alan

Oh, man, I just got it. :laughing:

Snappy, indeed!

I wondered if Lorenzo had missed it…

Alan

I do miss it sometimes. :smiley: -is that the right expression?

(repeat from page one)
Royce, what’s the size of the throat in your chanter? If you have some drill bits in 1/64" increments, what’s the largest that will slip through the throat (for close proximation).

Is the throat narrowest at the base of the reed seat (approx 1/2" from top of chanter), or does it become cylindrical below the reed seat for a certain length before the tapering starts? If so, for how long?

What’s the dimension of the bore at the bottom?

What is the sounding length of the chanter, top of reed seat to bottom of chanter?

Could you post a photo of the entire chanter? Maybe you’ve done this already, but I missed it. A side by side with another chanter would be interesting too.

BTW, you mentioned that Alans reed worked good in the lower octave. I’ve heard that just about any reed will work there basically, even if the bore is cylindrical.