Earlier today I got an email message saying a new PM had arrived but, if it got sent, I didn’t receive it. So, if you were expecting a reply, better try again. ![]()
Same thing happened to me. Maybe it was a glich in the system that sent random email notifications to random people or it was somebody trying to PM us and nothing happened.
Most likely what it was is that the person who sent it, unsent it. Or accidentally deleted it from their outbox before you retrieved it.
Yes, that was me. Here is my pm:
I decided I needed to think about it a bit more.
You suck.
Yes, that was me. Here is my pm:
Bloomfield:
If truth consists in the accordance of a cognition with its
object, this object must be, ipso facto, distinguished from all
others; for a cognition is false if it does not accord with the object
to which it relates, although it contains something which may be
affirmed of other objects. Now an universal criterion of truth would
be that which is valid for all cognitions, without distinction of
their objects. But it is evident that since, in the case of such a
criterion, we make abstraction of all the content of a cognition (that
is, of all relation to its object), and truth relates precisely to
this content, it must be utterly absurd to ask for a mark of the truth
of this content of cognition; and that, accordingly, a sufficient,
and at the same time universal, test of truth cannot possibly be found.
As we have already termed the content of a cognition its matter, we
shall say: “Of the truth of our cognitions in respect of their matter,
no universal test can be demanded, because such a demand is
self-contradictory.”I decided I needed to think about it a bit more.
Me too
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Slan,
D. ![]()
Yes, that was me. Here is my pm:
Bloomfield:
If truth consists in the accordance of a cognition with its
object, this object must be, ipso facto, distinguished from all
others; for a cognition is false if it does not accord with the object
to which it relates, although it contains something which may be
affirmed of other objects. Now an universal criterion of truth would
be that which is valid for all cognitions, without distinction of
their objects. But it is evident that since, in the case of such a
criterion, we make abstraction of all the content of a cognition (that
is, of all relation to its object), and truth relates precisely to
this content, it must be utterly absurd to ask for a mark of the truth
of this content of cognition; and that, accordingly, a sufficient,
and at the same time universal, test of truth cannot possibly be found.
As we have already termed the content of a cognition its matter, we
shall say: “Of the truth of our cognitions in respect of their matter,
no universal test can be demanded, because such a demand is
self-contradictory.”I decided I needed to think about it a bit more.
Gee, why, you could not have stated your position more clearly. ![]()
All the Best, Tom
Yes, that was me. Here is my pm:
Bloomfield:
If truth consists in the accordance of a cognition with its
object, this object must be, ipso facto, distinguished from all
others; for a cognition is false if it does not accord with the object
to which it relates, although it contains something which may be
affirmed of other objects. Now an universal criterion of truth would
be that which is valid for all cognitions, without distinction of
their objects. But it is evident that since, in the case of such a
criterion, we make abstraction of all the content of a cognition (that
is, of all relation to its object), and truth relates precisely to
this content, it must be utterly absurd to ask for a mark of the truth
of this content of cognition; and that, accordingly, a sufficient,
and at the same time universal, test of truth cannot possibly be found.
As we have already termed the content of a cognition its matter, we
shall say: “Of the truth of our cognitions in respect of their matter,
no universal test can be demanded, because such a demand is
self-contradictory.”I decided I needed to think about it a bit more.
well said, Bloom…I think ![]()
Bloomfield,
I think it’s fine as far as it goes…but shouldn’t you consider adding something like the following?
On the other hand, with regard to our cognition in respect of its mere form (excluding all content), it is equally manifest that logic, in so far as it exhibits the universal and necessary laws of the understanding, must in these very laws present us with criteria of truth. Whatever contradicts these rules is false, because thereby the understanding is made to contradict its own universal laws of thought; that is, to contradict itself. These criteria, however, apply solely to the form of truth, that is, of thought in general, and in so far they are perfectly accurate, yet not sufficient. For although a cognition may be perfectly accurate as to logical form, that is, not self-contradictory, it is notwithstanding quite possible that it may not stand in agreement with its object. Consequently, the merely logical criterion of truth, namely, the accordance of a cognition with the universal and formal laws of understanding and reason, is nothing more than the conditio sine qua non, or negative condition of all truth. Farther than this logic cannot go, and the error which depends not on the form, but on the content of the cognition, it has no test to discover.
You know, to give the other side…
Just a thought; it’s your business, of course.
Carol
Bloomfield,
I think it’s fine as far as it goes…but shouldn’t you consider adding something like the following?
On the other hand, with regard to our cognition in respect of its mere form (excluding all content), it is equally manifest that logic, in so far as it exhibits the universal and necessary laws of the understanding, must in these very laws present us with criteria of truth. Whatever contradicts these rules is false, because thereby the understanding is made to contradict its own universal laws of thought; that is, to contradict itself. These criteria, however, apply solely to the form of truth, that is, of thought in general, and in so far they are perfectly accurate, yet not sufficient. For although a cognition may be perfectly accurate as to logical form, that is, not self-contradictory, it is notwithstanding quite possible that it may not stand in agreement with its object. Consequently, the merely logical criterion of truth, namely, the accordance of a cognition with the universal and formal laws of understanding and reason, is nothing more than the conditio sine qua non, or negative condition of all truth. Farther than this logic cannot go, and the error which depends not on the form, but on the content of the cognition, it has no test to discover.
You know, to give the other side…
Just a thought; it’s your business, of course.
Carol
That explains everything,
Thanks Carol.
Slan,
D.
You know, to give the other side…
Just a thought; it’s your business, of course.
Carol
You know, Bloom, Carol does have a point. You might want to consider it.
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cskinner:You know, to give the other side…
Just a thought; it’s your business, of course.
Carol
You know, Bloom, Carol does have a point. You might want to consider it.
There’s a point to all this? Why didn’t anyone tell me?? ![]()
Tom
I did not try to post-mortem you.
Bloomfield,
I think it’s fine as far as it goes…but shouldn’t you consider adding something like the following?
On the other hand, with regard to our cognition in respect of its mere form (excluding all content), it is equally manifest that logic, in so far as it exhibits the universal and necessary laws of the understanding, must in these very laws present us with criteria of truth. Whatever contradicts these rules is false, because thereby the understanding is made to contradict its own universal laws of thought; that is, to contradict itself. These criteria, however, apply solely to the form of truth, that is, of thought in general, and in so far they are perfectly accurate, yet not sufficient. For although a cognition may be perfectly accurate as to logical form, that is, not self-contradictory, it is notwithstanding quite possible that it may not stand in agreement with its object. Consequently, the merely logical criterion of truth, namely, the accordance of a cognition with the universal and formal laws of understanding and reason, is nothing more than the conditio sine qua non, or negative condition of all truth. Farther than this logic cannot go, and the error which depends not on the form, but on the content of the cognition, it has no test to discover.
You know, to give the other side…
Just a thought; it’s your business, of course.
Carol
Fair enough. And I’ve considered it. But really, if I’d go that far, I’d like to take the next step, reference the Organon and call the general logic dialectic. Just a thought, of course.
Fair enough. And I’ve considered it. But really, if I’d go that far, I’d like to take the next step, reference the Organon and call the general logic dialectic. Just a thought, of course.
Hey, look. It’s your private exchange with Wombat anyway. If you feel you must drag in the Organon and all that, then go for it. I kant stop you.
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Carol, using the raspberry emoticon for the first time in her life
Well if this keeps up any longer, I’ll have no choice but to quote extensively from the Antique of Pure Treason. After all, the transcendental unity of apperception, being, as we all know, dependent upon, yet strictly and formally a necessary conditon for, the form of inner intuition, that is to say, time, not as it is in itself, but as it necessarily appears to us, forms a purely contingent unity, yet one which is nonetheless a priori. For irritably, I say unto you, if fish could fly they would be flying fish, and would therefore be the unconditioned condition of their own existence, self subsistent yet persistent, infernal but sempeternal, casting doubt not merely on fish shops but on the very idea of conditionality itself.
I hope that clears up the confusion.
Well if this keeps up any longer, I’ll have no choice but to quote extensively from the Antique of Pure Treason. After all, the transcendental unity of apperception, being, as we all know, dependent upon, yet strictly and formally a necessary conditon for, the form of inner intuition, that is to say, time, not as it is in itself, but as it necessarily appears to us, forms a purely contingent unity, yet one which is nonetheless a priori. For irritably, I say unto you, if fish could fly they would be flying fish, and would therefore be the unconditioned condition of their own existence, self subsistent yet persistent, infernal but sempeternal, casting doubt not merely on fish shops but on the very idea of conditionality itself.
I hope that clears up the confusion.
I hate that kind of sanctimonious crap “as we all know,” which assumes that if we don’t know, we’re not part of the collective “we.”
I tried to PM you about this, Wombat, but I got an error message saying your PM box was full.
Susan
(too dumb to even pretend to participate in this.)
(too dumb to even pretend to participate in this.)
I know the feeling. ![]()
emmline:
(too dumb to even pretend to participate in this.)
I know the feeling.
We’re all just copying and pasting (well, not Wombat, but he’s a professional). I don’t want to speak for cskinner, but I certain don’t have a clue what I’m talking about. ![]()