Beware of MK satin finish whistle green (color difference).

The whistle they show in the big photos is a wonderful, happy, spring green. The one they actually send to people is a sad, dark, forest green.

I like the whistle. It is surprisingly similar to my Chieftain V3, albeit with no tuning issues and I can tell that the tone is stronger in certain places. I’m hoping when Phil Hardy sends me back my Chieftain from the shop it will be better tuned and will be even more like the MK. I had expected a more noticeable difference between the two, although the tuning is a HUGELY important difference.

But the GREEN! So sad. I would have gotten the satin red if only I’d known! I estimate that the proper green color would have increased my whistling skills by AT LEAST 1%. Maybe even two.

I’m not sending it back as I don’t want to pay for return shipping and have to wait all over again, especially over such a superficial thing, but prospective MK buyers should be aware that the large photos displayed on the website are not color-accurate. The small image you click on to get the large photos is closer to what I got.

And I emailed MK whistles to let them know how sad I was. Hopefully, they can fix the photos and spare others the agony I’m experiencing right now. Minor agony.

Beaver,
Every struggling artist must pay his / her dues! :laughing:

Cheers,
Cayden

If I were you I’d have chosen the purple one anyway. I mean, a purple whistle! As cool as can get!

I think a dark green would be better than a bright green. Of course you must figure, those pictures are probably taken with a lot of lighting. The polished green seems to be (from what I can see) one of the more popular ones, didn’t you notice that is a darker green in every video of it, too? Personally, I find the brightly coloured whistles a little bit ridiculous (RED and PURPLE whistles?! x_x) . I’d say you are lucky to have gotten a darker green colour.

I got a polished black low F and low D. Luckily they got just the right shade of black! Really though, I think thier polished whistles are just beautiful. They look better in person than in the pictures.

I noticed on the website it says they may be able to work with some colour requests. I thought about asking for a polished dark brown (my fav. colour!) instead of black. I think that would look great, but I didn’t bother, as black is good too. It would have been cool to be the only person with a brown MK in the world! I wish they’d just offer metal coloured without the paint, too. I assume it might be protective of the metal, though.

Anyway, I’d say you got lucky to not get a green that is bright carnival shade. Do you have any pictures of it? Also, I would think if you are really opposed to the shade you got, you might perhaps be able to exchange it for another one.

I have never played a chieftain before. Is it really similar to the MK? I’ve listened a lot to the chieftains on youtube and recordings (which I know alters tone), and it was extremely far from having the hazy mysterious smoky qualities of the MK. Breathy, but not the same. I know around the window looks similar, but when that was mentioned on a youtube video, the person replied that it was extremely different. Please elaborate on what you find similar. Do they play similarly?

No. The Chieftain V3 is breathier, less focused and takes more air.

Doesn’t sound very good. The MK is about as breathy as I find acceptable. For the tunes it’s good on, it’s the best whistle for the job. But I like to use a clearer sounding low D for tunes where the MK causes an over-muffling effect where undesired.

I always wondered if the breathiness a great deal less audible for the listeners than it is for the person playing the whistle. I’ve never heard the MK played by anyone else in person.

And beaver, does the MK look more similar to the pictures under a strong light? I noticed in some of the whistle pictures on the MK website, there was a great deal of glare on the surface of the whistles, so I assume the pictures were really accurate, if under similar lighting conditions.

(PS- Mods please remove one of my double posts, above. The forum wasn’t running when I posted that, so I accidentally posted twice! Sorry about that!)

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Hmmm. To each his own. I own two MK whistles - one tenor D, one alto F. One red, one green. I find both colors to be visually attractive, and the anodizing is the finest quality I have ever seen. Audiences love them, and often want to see them up close…
Best.
Byll

I always loved the dark green MK.
Its the best looking whistle I’ve ever seen.
Stunning, just stunning.

This is about as bright as it gets. I did a custom white balance, so provided your screen is calibrated, this is pretty close to what it looks like. In most light, it’s just too dark. It looks almost black from certain angles. If I’d wanted that, I’d have gotten the black. I wanted circus green. Everyone has their own tastes. Imagine thinking you were getting this lovely dark green and instead you got a circus green. It’s all expectations, and really, in the grand scheme of things, isn’t all that important. I just think they should fix their photos.

As far as it being like a Chieftain V3, the differences to me, are surprisingly small. The tone is stronger on the MK in places (probably the difference in breathyness), the note transitions feel a little snappier (going from low D to B has a crispness that wasn’t there on the Chieftain), and the MK is in tune, whereas the Chieftain had a flat C# and a sharp top end, being very noticeable on the top end B. My Chieftain has been out for a few weeks, so I can’t play them side by side, but overall, I expected the difference to be huge, but they are not, in my opinion. It feels to me like someone took the Chieftain V3 design and tweaked it, producing a whistle with a slightly stronger tone and better overall handling.

The MK does get a bit loud and harsh at the top end (more noticeable indoors… outdoors it isn’t an issue). I’ve been playing a Shearwater D, and the difference between these two is night and day. The Shearwater is very mellow, almost muffled sounding. The upper octave sounds a bit flat if you’re blowing the bottom octave really strongly, but the upper octave notes are quite pleasant and not harsh at all. I can play these two whistles side by side, and I could play all the way up to high B on the Shearwater sitting right next to my wife and felt fine, whereas playing the MK up there made me very tense, thinking she was going to kick me out of the house at any moment. That’s probably the only criticism I have of the MK at this point. The top end hurts my ears indoors and makes me want to shorten the upper notes to make them end sooner. This was the case with my Chieftain as well, but also because the notes were sharp. The Shearwater has a much weaker bottom end, and the bell note is not very strong, and sounds a little gritty. I’ll eventually make a video playing them all side by side once my Chieftain comes back.

The only other difference I’ve noticed is that the MK tends to break into an odd half tone upper note in the second octave E and F#. It happens if I tongue too hard or if I do a cran a bit wrong (still trying to figure this one out). The note that comes out is in between the second and third octave. The Chieftain never did this, but the Shearwater also has this characteristic.

Also, I tend to use my bottom finger covering the last hole to stabilize the whistle. The MK does not find this acceptable. If I play the upper B while having the last hole covered, it sounds nasty and sometimes kicks it down an octave. I’ve watched Michael McGoldrick and a few other players placing their finger in between the E and D holes, but I’m having trouble with the mechanics of moving my finger quickly enough when I go from something like a Cnat to a middle D. It’s going to take some practice.

Sorry to ramble so much, these are just my first impressions after playing for a couple of days.

And I have also wondered whether or not the tone sounds different to others VS. how it sounds to me as I play. The MK sounds the most different when I have something reflecting the sound back at me, so maybe the Chieftain and the MK sound more different from a distance, but I don’t know anyone else who plays, so I can’t test this out.

I think the title of this thread is a bit misleading. ‘Beware’ implies there is something wrong with the whistle. You just don’t like the colour, that doesn’t warrant a public warning!

The chieftain is a toy compared to an MK to be honest.

I personally can’t fathom why someone would want a colored whistle anyway, MK or not.

Of course, this is coming from the guy that drew a Dalek on his banjo head, so take anything I say with a grain of salt. :slight_smile:

The title (and the warning) is somewhat facetious. Most people don’t care deeply about greens, but I did want people to know what color they were getting if they ordered the green satin MK pro.

There will be some times when a circus green whistle will not be appropriate but a whislte this color will always be in good taste.

The color is growing on me. Y’all are really glass-half-full kind of people. Thanks for being so chipper.

I think the satin coloured whistles actually seem to look much nicer than on the pictures on the website, and not just the colours they use, but the actual texture of the finish. If I’d known that, I might have saved myself money and gone for the satin.

That being said, the polished looks very nice. I was a bit worried the black might have a sort of plasticy look, but it doesn’t at all. It is a sort of shiny automotive type of black. It’s one of the most beautiful whistles out there in my opinion. My only complaint is that a tiny little crumb sized fleck of the paint came off right above the windway where it goes into my mouth, after the first 5 minutes of playing it, when I didn’t even touch that area, except with my lips. Also at the very bottom of the tube this happened too, simply from putting it gently into it’s case. That all happened right when I got it, but in the many months since, it hasn’t happened again anywhere, after getting a lot of use. I wonder if the satin models are a bit prone to this as well. I’ve always been gentle with it.

I wish they’d make them in brass though, as it looks the best, in my opinion, and no paint to worry about. I guess I am opposed to the reds, greens, purples, because that antiqued look is more fitting for an instrument primarily used within folk music, in my opinion.

Hopefully the sound of the MK might grow on you a bit more. It is definitely a whistle that took me some time of constantly playing it solely, before I started appreciating it’s qualities (as it true with most whistles for me). I recommend just spending a lot of time with this whistle, getting to know it, and I think you’ll start really liking it. I’ve found it’s a whistle where it sounds best if I blow the first octave pretty hard, and ease off on the pressure of the second octave as much as possible, and it takes a bit of time to get accustomed to the right amount of push, in my experience. I’m far from being a pro, or even what I’d say is a good whistler, but this is how I’ve found it plays best for me.

Also, isn’t the chieftain an all metal mouthpiece interior? Luckily the MK has a more moisture repelling material in most of the windway. It has a lot of really good qualities that I think set it apart from others.

I will say, the F is even better, in my opinion. Soon they are coming out with a low G, too! From what a read, an A whistle and a soprano D will follow after, if I read correctly. I am very interesting in seeing how the higher pitches will sound! I hope it follows the same pattern of improving (for me) with each higher key that comes out!

I hope you will enjoy your MK!

Not if you’re playing at the circus. A circus green whistle will always be appropriate at the circus. :wink:

But seriously, I kind of like the idea of a green that almost looks black, but I can understand AB’s disappointment. Sometimes photos are funny like that. I saw a pic of a satin green mk a while back that someone was selling and it almost looked teal- like a bluish/green.

Btw, Misha told me a while back that he’s adding an aluminum finish option this year and he’s taking pre-orders. Anybody on that list?

I’d love to see MK finally make a soprano D, regardless of color.

I love the real green finish color!!! I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t like it, that’s very close to my absolute favorite shade of green! But then to each his own. :cry: (btw, my fav shade of green has a little less blue in it :slight_smile: )

I had no idea, or I’d have waited!!! I never got any email about this!

I’m on the low G list though!

I’ll try to dig up later where the thing was mentioned about the G, A, and D keys.

Sirchonique, you got your quotations a bit messed up. Randalf said what you are crediting to me. I don’t even know Misha.