Yep. What happened to that other whistle site… WhistleAway.com?? Who was making it, and does anyone know why construction/de-bugging seems to have stopped??
Looked like it’d turn out to be a really cool site, but you can’t login after you logout unless you create a new username…
Any info??
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Nice-looking site, but needs some serious help with the database hookup. One of the BIG hazards of using Microsoft stuff on the Web. Go Java! Go JSP! Go mysql, Oracle, and PostGres! ASP, Access and SQL Server SUCK!
(sorry… showing my experience there…)
Ar, Ar! 
Bill Whedon
On 2002-09-24 08:14, serpent wrote:
Nice-looking site, but needs some serious help with the database hookup. One of the BIG hazards of using Microsoft stuff on the Web. Go Java! Go JSP! Go mysql, Oracle, and PostGres! ASP, Access and SQL Server SUCK!(sorry… showing my experience there…)
Ar, Ar! >
Bill Whedon
Actually,if you know what you’re doing, hooking up to SQL, Oracle, Access or any other database through ASP is child’s play.
On 2002-09-24 08:14, serpent wrote:
Go Java! Go JSP! Go mysql, Oracle, and PostGres!
On Comet! On Cupid! On Donner and Blitzen!
Actually, I don’t think you can know what you’re doing when you’re using ASP.
PHP RULEZZZZZ!!! It’s open source, it’s multi platform, it’s clean, and it’s supported by the largest online community!
Yeah, and Bill Gates is the anti-christ, too.
On 2002-09-24 11:31, Azalin wrote:
Actually, I don’t think you can know what you’re doing when you’re using ASP.
Ah…this must be another “Az Truism” 
On 2002-09-24 11:18, Wandering_Whistler wrote:
On 2002-09-24 08:14, serpent wrote:
Nice-looking site, but needs some serious help with the database hookup. One of the BIG hazards of using Microsoft stuff on the Web. Go Java! Go JSP! Go mysql, Oracle, and PostGres! ASP, Access and SQL Server SUCK!(sorry… showing my experience there…)
Ar, Ar! >
Bill WhedonActually,if you know what you’re doing, hooking up to SQL, Oracle, Access or any other database through ASP is child’s play.
Edit… apparently these people had the wrong children playing, eh?
… PostGres? … Nah. Gotta have them abominable ODBC drivers. And I have yet to see an ASP site of any level of complexity that didn’t lose session info “mysteriously” at some point. Face it - JSP/Java are the wave of the future - MS’ Johnny-come-lately “Dot Net” hodgepodge notwithstanding. I’ve worked in both, and vastly prefer the power and ease-of-use aspects of the Sun Alliance’s Java One! ASP is a dying dinosaur! Long live JSP!!
Cheers,
Bill Whedon
[ This Message was edited by: serpent on 2002-09-24 14:34 ]
On 2002-09-24 14:31, serpent wrote:
Edit… apparently these people had the wrong children playing, eh?
… PostGres? … Nah. Gotta have them abominable ODBC drivers. And I have yet to see an ASP site of any level of complexity that didn’t lose session info “mysteriously” at some point. Face it - JSP/Java are the wave of the future - MS’ Johnny-come-lately “Dot Net” hodgepodge notwithstanding. I’ve worked in both, and vastly prefer the power and ease-of-use aspects of the Sun Alliance’s Java One! ASP is a dying dinosaur! Long live JSP!!
Cheers,
Bill Whedon
Apparently they did.
You don’t need ODBC drivers to run ASP database code. Microsoft started getting rid of ODBC well over half a decade ago with DAO then RDO. While RDO was originally a client over ODBC, RDO2.0 became more than that. OLEDB eventually totally replaced the ODBC model as the preffered method of database access. These days, you use MDAC/ADO, which is based on OLEDB. It’s both faster and more flexible than ODBC.
I’ve seen plenty of stable ASP sites, including the msdn.microsoft.com sites (which have never ‘lost’ session info for me). This also includes my own website, http://www.tinwhistler.com/music, a database-driven sheet music site of moderate code complexity that some folks tend to find useful. To blame poor site development on the tools rather than where it properly lies (with the developer) is disingenuous.
And, I am speaking from a position of knowledge here. I’ve been a software developer for over 15 years, using a variety of languages (C++, VB, etc), and have earned 3 patents.
In any case, to bring things back onto topic, there’s nothing wrong with the technology behind the site in question. It simply sounds like the developer hasn’t gotten all of his ducks in a row yet (provided he’s still even working on it).
Greg
Dang it, why is everybody bein’ so reasonable about this?? Here I try to start a little “asp -vs- jsp”, and you go all logical on me. Only 15 years? Yer a young ‘un! Been in th’ biz since 1966! Well, software since 1979.
Anyhow, you’re right, it’s the developers who have to get ducks lined up, and I do hope they do that soon1 It looks to be the beginnings of a really cool site!
Cheers,
Bill Whedon
On 2002-09-24 11:19, avanutria wrote:
On Comet! On Cupid! On Donner and Blitzen!
Actually, in the original, it was “Donder and Blitzen” which means thunder and lightning. Don’t know why they changed it for “Rudolph the Rednose Reindeer.”
Yo, Walden! Where be yer purple frame!? Dale suin’ ye fer copyright violation, izze?
Cheers,
Bill Whedon
On 2002-09-24 17:37, serpent wrote:
Yo, Walden! Where be yer purple frame!? Dale suin’ ye fer copyright violation, izze?
It’s right here, sir.
Reasonable Person
W A L D E N
Wandering,
I swear I’m not that evil, just… a little… 
To be even moe off-topic, I agree with what you’ve said, the only problem is that some development tools like Visual Basic will give some developer “wannabes” the feeling that they know how to develop… They then go on creating interactive sites with .ASP… and it’s disaster… I’m not saying you can’t do good stuff with Visual Basic, it’s just easy with this tool to create applications without very good programming knowledge.
Bottom line, Microsoft technology is available to more people, therefore you’ll end up with more crappy stuff being developed with Microsoft tools, but not because of the tools themselves… Makes sens?
DISCLAIMER - the following comments are made based on 6 years as a web developer and alpha tester for a pretty big software company. Take it for what it’s worth
Errr…nevermind. Y’all have made up your mind already.
Have a nice day
On 2002-09-24 19:09, Azalin wrote:
Wandering,I swear I’m not that evil, just… a little… >
To be even moe off-topic, I agree with what you’ve said, the only problem is that some development tools like Visual Basic will give some developer “wannabes” the feeling that they know how to develop… They then go on creating interactive sites with .ASP… and it’s disaster… I’m not saying you can’t do good stuff with Visual Basic, it’s just easy with this tool to create applications without very good programming knowledge.
Bottom line, Microsoft technology is available to more people, therefore you’ll end up with more crappy stuff being developed with Microsoft tools, but not because of the tools themselves… Makes sens?
Hey, I’m in 100% agreement with you on this angle. I’ve made quite a good living cleaning up after VB wannabes.
Thought you Microsoft bashers might want a little info about Microsoft and what it’s done for Ireland -
Microsoft first established a presence in Ireland in 1985 through its European Operations Center, which includes the area manufacturing and distribution. Since that time the Irish operations have grown and developed to the point where Microsoft Ireland is the single biggest employer in software in Ireland.
Within three years of its arrival in Ireland, the company expanded its activities to include software localization for European markets. Today, over one hundred different software products are localized into twenty-seven different European and South American languages at Microsoft’s European Product Development Center (EPDC) in Dublin. Further expansion in Ireland occurred in 1991, when Ireland Sales and Marketing was established in Dublin to market the company’s products and service to customers throughout the island of Ireland.Currently Microsoft Ireland:
Spends some IR£267m in the Irish economy on labor compensation, materials and services.
Exports in 1999 amounted to 5.5 per cent of the total Irish exports of goods and services
Has generated direct income in the Irish economy in the year ending 2000 estimated to amount to just over 2 per cent of GNP.
With 1,592 on-site employees, Microsoft thus accounts directly for almost 7 per cent of total employment in the software industry
Has contributed an estimated at 5 per cent of all Corporation Tax payments to the Exchequer in the year 2000.
Support Ireland! Buy Windows!
…aaah man I can’t believe I posted that…
Assimilation complete
On 2002-09-24 19:09, Azalin wrote:
… the only problem is that some development tools like Visual Basic will give some developer “wannabes” the feeling that they know how to develop… They then go on creating interactive sites with .ASP… and it’s disaster…
This is all frightfully off-topic: let’s try a bit of paraphrase & substitution to see if we can bring it back on-topic while keeping it polemical/evil…
… the only problem is that some teaching tools like [Brother Steve’s pages / Scoiltrad / MadforTrad / LE McCullough’s tutor / …] give some whistler “wannabes” the feeling that they know how to play … They then go on playing tunes with what they’ve “learned”… and it’s disaster…