Trying out the keys of my prowse, and the one I have doesn’t seem to support xxo ooo plus G# key.
It does xxx ooo plus G# key.
Are there more alternative fingerings than this too?
(edited for typo in fingering)
Trying out the keys of my prowse, and the one I have doesn’t seem to support xxo ooo plus G# key.
It does xxx ooo plus G# key.
Are there more alternative fingerings than this too?
(edited for typo in fingering)
Ummm, G# is xxx ooo plus the G# key. First open hole below the G is RH1 (RH1 open sounds the G), G# key is between that and LH3, and thus shortens the closed length of the flute to G#.
On a keyless, you would half-hole RH3, basically taking the A note (xxo ooo) and shading/flattening it to G#. xxx ooo = G.
well, since no other resources, should have added, was basing this on Grey Larsen’s tome…which has the G# as I mentioned in my first post (with the xxo xxx plus G#)
henceforth… ![]()
thanks kevin ![]()
Try Terry McGee’s Fingering Charts for most of the situations you might encounter:
Eight-key: http://mcgee-flutes.com/fingering.html
same fingering I gave you for 1st & 2nd octave.
I’ve never seen the fingering you mention - sure it’s not a typo? If it works in some situations, it looks like it might be like combining uppers with downers (lower hand to flatten an A, key to vent sharper).
Hey Berti!
If the key is normally closed then you finger the note below and use the key to sharpen the pitch a half step.
On a simple system (up to and 8 key) that is most of them. Low C# & C are normally open.
yeah…trying to figure things out.
but I might have a early print of that book of Grey Larsen, and for the first octave the fingering was just as I said.
weird…good thing that we are all thinking fluteplayers and like to experiment and figure things out…
its not going to be an overnight thing getting used to them keys but well, I am still only 44
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Hi Berti
I have a Prowse flute too and the finger technique is exactly as kkrell and Denny explained.
Best of luck.
Iain
hmm should have put it differently.
it was about the grey larsen book which has the xxo ooo plus G# key for the first octave, hence the question.
if you look, you will see that I actually found out myself already the right one, as you all recommend.
so I was in fact asking if there were other fingerings than xxx ooo plus G# key possible (or that the book just plain has a typo.)
nevermind, I use terry’s chart now and it all works just fine.
So does anyone have a different printing of the Larsen book, to check if this apparent typo has been corrected or not?
In my pirated translation based on the 2003 edition, there’s G# = XXO K OOO. Also noticed that the Cnat crossfingering is XXX OOO. The second octave C is XXO XXO, I can’t seem to get it this way.
Based on Amazon.com’s offerings, only publication is 2003, so I guess that’s the only edition.
http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Guide-Irish-Flute-Whistle/dp/0786649429/
The “Look Inside” feature actually shows Appendix C (8-key flute fingering chart, page 454 & 455), and the fingering for G# is correct in the high register (xxx [G# key] ooo) with no alternatives. The only choice for G# in the low register is (xx [G# key] o ooo), which is the one we don’t agree with). C is shown standard in the high register as (x [C key] oo ooo) with 2 alternatives (xxo xxo) or half-holing LH1 (top 1). Cross-fingering for C in the low register is (oxx ooo).
The whistle shows mostly half-holing rather than cross-fingering.
He apparently has 2 new publications in the works:
http://www.greylarsen.com/store/bookdetails.php
Thanks, guys. So it seems that Bertie found a boo-boo. ![]()
That high C-nat xxoxxo looks weird to me, too, like a transposition of oxxxxo.
yep!! boooooo!! ![]()
good thing we have someone like Terry McGee …next time I want to know something better start there …should have known that beforehand heehee!
OXOXXO and XXOXXO can both be proper fife fingerings for C nat in the third register. Second register OXOXXO and OXXXXO give different shades of C on one flute and are the same on my other. XXOXXO just plays e in the second register on both of my flutes.
For the original post G# in the second register, I think XXOXOX works on one flute and okay on the other.
Can’t help with the key thing, don’t have none.
Sorry if that is a bit off topic.
Certainly looks like typos in the Larsen thingy…
The McGee chart is OK, but I have issues with it… is quite good for Pratten style flutes but not so good for others. There are better/more useful charts available. See Rick Wilson’s website for several historic resources and also his own composite chart for C19th simple systems with many alternative fingerings. Even the last is not, however, comprehensive, as it omits some alternatives offered by Rockstro and Langey.
When I repaired and overhauled iainbeag’s Prowse, I tested it for optimum fingerings and produced a dedicated 3 8ve fingering chart for it. There’s no guarantee all the fingerings would be the optimum ones for your Prowse, Berti, but it wouldn’t be a bad place to start. The way I created it you can in any case save a new copy and edit the chart if you find better alternatives for your specific flute. I’ve zapped it over to you, along with scans of Langey and Rockstro.