I am wondering how one would code the following in ABC in particular the word “Brisk”. Couldn’t figure out where it is covered in the ABC standards.
X: 1
T: Tune to be played “Brisk”
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: G
**???**SE|G>AB g>ag|
X:1
T:Tune to be played “Brisk”
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:G
“Brisk”"‘S.’"E|G>AB g>ag|
This is covered in section 4.19, Annotations. You can also control the font size and type by using format directives.
P.S. Are you sure that first note isn’t supposed to be D?
Not often I’d disagree with the Guru, but I think
X:1
T:Tune to be played “Brisk”
M:6/8
L:1/8
K:G
“^Brisk”!segno!E|G>AB g>ag|
would probably be better. I suspect the ‘S.’ is actually !segno! and that the original typesetting didn’t have that available. Using the carat before the word “Brisk” indicates placing the remark above the notes and distinguishes the “Brisk” from any chord names in the music in two ways: 1) It will ignore “Brisk” if playing back the chords in a midi program and 2) It places the word “Brisk” in a different text font and style from the chords so that it can be better distinguished.
No real disagreement, Chuck. Sure, if the ‘S.’ is supposed to be a segno, then use !segno! or +segno+. What I gave reproduces the original MS without interpreting intent.
Yes, the caret will keep the text from being interpreted as a chord for playback (or b’s as flats for printing, not a problem here). But I’m not aware it automatically affects the font - it doesn’t in my abcm2ps. For that you need to either 1. specify different %%gchordfont and %%annotationfont directives, or 2. use the $n font specifiers in the text string, along with corresponding %%setfont-n directives. No?
Honestly, I almost never use MIDI playback, except for occasional proofing. So I’ll admit I seldom think about handling it. Did you know that MIDI is an acronym for “Musically Idiotic Despicable Interpretation”? 
The Annotations section was a help. Use of the ^ doesn’t seem to be necessary to get it to render properly in the ABC Convert-A-Matic. Mostly, I am just trying to be consistent and transcribe this into an ABC that can be consistently rendered in programs into sheet music. I have already had to make judgement calls, and accept a certain amount of interpretation is necessary.
It was a judgment call from what I had seen previously, and my music theory isn’t quite up to being to immediately spot what fits. To me it didn’t seem to fit in the tune well so I just threw in an E until I transcribed the rest. Seeing as the repeat ends on a G arpeggio*, it is most likely suppose to be a D.
So this is what I have.
X: 1
T: We’ll A’ to Kelso Go
M: 6/8
L: 1/8
K: G
"Brisk"SD|G>AB g>ag|+trill+f>ed g2d|e/2f/2ge dBG|A>BA c>de|G>AB g>ab|afdg2d|e/2f/2ge dBA|B3g2:|
|:Sg/2a/2|bgb afa|geg dBd|(G>AB) gdB|AaA c>de|G>AB gag|afdg2d|e/2f/2ge dBA|B3g2:|
If you look at the “S” it isn’t “S.” it looks to be “:S:”. In the introduction he mentions that “:S:” is used in repeats, a Dal Segno.
So is there a reason to use +segno+ or !segno! rather than just S? Because, I’m really lazy. (Although to be consistent with the way I have been using +trill+ I may want to start using +segno+)
*Or what ever you’d call it, like I said my music theory isn’t great.
Ah, then Chuck’s interpretation is correct. And your lazy S should be fine, since that is a default assignment according to the Standard.
Not an arpeggio, but certainly a broken G chord if you take the last 3 beats of each cadence: dBA|B3 g2| = dB(A)Bg = G chord with a neighbor A. Which does suggest a D pickup instead of E.
That seems to be a better term. Sometimes I have to wonder about some of the markings. The Dal Segno seems redundant, especially on the second line.
Now I have to brush up on two voice ABCs and typing in the right notes for a bass clef. FGABCDEfg…
Yep, a different notational standard at work here. I’m guessing that because of the pick-ups and partial last bars, the writer felt the need to be explicit about including the pick-ups in the repeats.
What’s the date on this? Early 19th century?
It’s from Henry Beck’s Flute Book 1786.
Been scraping away at it for a while. When something comes up, or I get frustrated with it, it gets shelved for a couple of months.
Segno: After looking at the “full” copy I’m sure the sign is a segno, but I’m equally sure that it is improperly used according to contemporary usage. Apparently the creator of that book used the mark as an aid to the eye in spotting where to return to. I suppose that is legitimate enough, but is certainly not the usage today. I’d be inclined to leave it out entirely
The carat: You are right that you may have to specify different font directives to get the different fonts for chords and annotations. I either left that out because I thought it was more information than needed or because is was careless. Your call
MIDI: A great acronym, and one I generally agree with, but since some folks do use it why not keep the abc clean. BTW there is now stress programming available in abc2midi which goes a long way toward making it more useful. Still YMMV.
If all I wanted to do was edit the book I would probably do things differently, but I would like to preserve as much of the original markings as possible. I have made some judgement calls but try to keep it to a minimum. I wish I knew how to reproduce the w at the end of some lines, the 4 lines at the end of the tune (or knew why he used them) and some other oddities. I kind of like the notational quirks and think they kind of add to the document and removing them feels like sterilizing it. Later it will be a simple task to strip it down purely for its musical content.
The problem with segnos in ABC is that there is no standard for them that player programs can use. It doesn’t make sense to use notation which only dictates the generated notation when it significantly affects the way the tune sounds. (Gonzato introduced a lot of that crap in his “ABC Plus” proposal).
I would either write out the repeated section or use the “P:” construct. Like this:
X:1
T:We'll A' to Kelso Go
C:ABA
M:6/8
L:1/8
Q:3/8=120 " Brisk"
P:ABA
K:G
P:A
|: D |G>AB g>ag|Tf>ed g2d| e/f/ge dBG|A>BA c>de|
G>AB g>ab| afd g2d| e/f/ge dBA|B3 g2 :|
P:B
|: g/a/|bgb afa | geg dBd|(G>AB) gdB|AaA c>de|
G>AB gag |afd g2d| e/f/ge dBA|B3 g2 :|
The space before “Brisk” is needed by both BarFly and abcm2ps to stop the word colliding with other stuff. BarFly doesn’t print the part order unless you fool it, so I put it in the composer field.
That’s the great thing about standards, there are so many to choose from!
Now it looks like there is an update The abc music standard 2.1. Wonder what’s different.
I guess the best I can do for now is to be consistent so that any changes can be made with a replace function in Word. The program I was using to look at how the code was rendered was ABCJ, but it seems to be corrupted now so I have been using concertina.net’s ABC Convert-A-Matic. No doubt that if I ever want to convert the project to an HTML or PDF document, I’ll have to make changes.
Interesting. v2.0 was around forever, as a draft that wasn’t a draft.
Here’s my guess on some of the markings and the reason for them.
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the segno is probably used to help the eye spot the start of sections of tunes. In older, and particularly handwritten collections I’ve seen that before. They don’t really affect the playing I don’t think, though I’d need to see a tune I knew to be sure of that.
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what looks like a “w” at the end of lines is probably a marker for what note is to be played at the start of the following line. At least this is quite common. Once I knew why that particular symbol, but alas the knowledge has been erased from memory.
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The extra dark lines at the end of a tune are probably a marker of the end of a tune. Often in manuscript books the writer will save space be starting a new tune on the same line of staff paper, and the dark marks make it easy for the player to stop reading forward through the tune and jump back to the start (the previous set of dark lines).
Again, these thoughts are based on what I’ve seen in other manuscripts and might be wrong here. But, of course, I don’t think so 
Hmmm.
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I don’t think the collision of items is a problem with the newer versions of abcm2ps. You might want to get a new version Jack.
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If you are printing the music from Barfly using abcm2ps then you can turn on the ability to print the part order then the command
%%printparts 1
at the head of the file will print the parts. Or, you can insert that command (without the %%) in a format file you use.
- I believe Jack is correct about playback of the segno marks not being done properly in the MIDI player routines, but as I said in the previous post I don’t believe the segno marks are actually being used as we would. I didn’t see any “D.S. al fine” nor did I see any “Fine” in the example shown. Hence, my conculsion.
Version 2.0 is now approved, and 2.1 is well under way. Currently there is a huge argument about how to specify music for transposing instruments. Once that is settled I believe that 2.1 will be set and work will begin on 2.2 (for which some issues have been left since the wish is to get 2.1 out there as a standard for the software folks). The changes should help. Meanwhile, I’d encourage folks using abcm2ps and abc2midi to go get the current versions and read the information files. There are many improvements and many added commands to make playback or print/display much more controllable than they have been. Mac versions are available at Guido Gonzato’s site. Let me know by PM if you have trouble with them, since I compiled them.
I’d also suggest a read through Guido Gonzato’s “ABC-Plus” manual where you can find all sorts of information about how to use abc2MIDI and abcm2ps as well as a complete listing of most of the extended commands available for each program. Not all of the changes are there though, since that documentation is a bit out of date. There is quite extensive documentation in the materials that accompany abc2MIDI and abcm2ps when you download them.
We’re a long way from whistle here though…Should the topic be moved or perhaps stopped??
No, we’re in the Trad Tech forum, where we ought to be. 
My question was answered earlier, but additional ABC information still fits neatly in the subject of the title of the thread. Originally it was in the Pub and then got moved over to the Tech forum, so it all sits well here.
I was told that the ABC Convert-A-Matic on concertina.net uses abcm2ps, so I think I’ll be using that for the time being. I like the front-end, and was unable to get the install to work on the windows binaries of abcm2ps. Not having to install a program when I work on more than one computer is a plus too.
As long as it is easier than reading something like this, I’ll be happy. (This is fairly typical)
My best guess at interpreting it is
X: 1
T: Betty Land
M: C|
L: 1/8
K: D
%%graceslurs 0
A2|d2(ec)d2(AG)|(GF) (ED)A2GF|G2BGE2(ge)|(dc)z4:|A2|(dA)(B^c){c}B2(AG)|eBcd {d} c2(BA)|
d2(fa) (ge) (dc)|(d/2e/2f/2e/2) (d/2c/2B/2A/2) (BA/2G/2) (FE)|(eB)(cd) {d} c2(BA)|d2(fa) (ge) (dc)|d4z2|]
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I somehow missed this post.
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2) what looks like a "w" at the end of lines is probably a marker for what note is to be played at the start of the following line. At least this is quite common. Once I knew why that particular symbol, but alas the knowledge has been erased from memory.
3) The extra dark lines at the end of a tune are probably a marker of the end of a tune. Often in manuscript books the writer will save space be starting a new tune on the same line of staff paper, and the dark marks make it easy for the player to stop reading forward through the tune and jump back to the start (the previous set of dark lines).
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Yep, the "w" has been pretty much been identified and acts as you said, I just wish I could reproduce it in ABC. I don't know why there are four marks rather than the now standard |] type ending, but again, it would be neat to somehow retain it.- There is an abc forum where you could post questions and doubtless someone there has the answers you need. it is at
and you could go to the group at yahoo and subscribe I believe. I’ve actually forgotten, but perhaps someone here can fill you in further.
- I seem to recall some discussion about the w bit, but I can’t find it in my materials anywhere. I’ll ask the question of the forum.
3)You could get the black bar by appending Lz32 after your music (one time for each bar) That “32” implies L:1/8. If this doesn’t work try other multiples of 4.
- I’d strongly suggest you get EasyABC to work with. It wraps around abcm2ps so you can see your music on the screen immediately exactly as it will appear printed. And, you can stick a version of the newest version of abcm2ps somewhere and link to it directly so you’ll always be able to use the latest and greatest.
Glad we’re in the Tech forum MT. Thanks for the heads up.
Hope this helps.
Chuck Boody