FEH!
Just say No!
In all seriousness, Mat, I wouldn’t mind your proposal for submission-based ratings, but some issues come to mind: first, would C&F provide the services for this, or would my lack of equipment/tech experience automatically exclude me? Next, who will be the arbiters of taste, and could we hope for a general agreement in their assesments? Do we account for improvement, and re-rate Chiffers accordingly? If someone’s ability declines, do we discount one’s experience, then?
Perhaps this rating system might best apply to the confines of Clips ‘n’ Snips, and remain there. It’s hard for me to see how it would benefit the whole website, seriously. Still, it’s worth thinking about.
What you wind up with is concensus rule.
Which is great if you live in a concensus-defined reality. :roll:
–James
well I am one of those “newbies” and I find this idea has two sides.
on one side (most comfortable idea) newbies can see who is advicing them and trust those people’s “experience” and on the other hand, (less comfortable idea) I feel not very happy by the idea that we newbies are not allowed to have an opinion on things untill we have “experience” and have “passed the tests” which can take ***** (fill in your favorite religion’s term or person) knows how long…
would give the feeling of, having to look up to those who had passed the tests to qualify because we newbies are nothing
this may be a bit exaggerated of course but gives you the idea what feelings it gives me…
kind of double…hmmmm
what do other newbies think.
berti
Hmm…my grandad (a musically inclined Northern Irishman, i.e., genetically inherited high respect score) used to tell me this story about how a mountain lion after eating an entire bull felt so good he started roaring. He kept it up until a hunter came along and shot him. Moral: when you’re full of bull just keep your mouth shut.
The way I see things, it don’t take a genius to spot a goat in a flock of sheep.
Douse the fire and move 'em out. Next idea, please.
Tex
I agree with your view on the issue, Berti. But I don’t think it robs the newbies of their opinions. It’s just meant to give the reader a sense of where the opinions are based.
I like the spirit behind the proposal. I have a crockpot recipe for babies that’s to die for. And we can qualify our flute opinions.
Either way, some R&D and brainstorming is required even if the forum community wishes to pursue it.
Cheers,
Aaron
P.S. Will the Respect Score be metric or empirical?
yes I DO appreciate that we newbies would be able to see who is giving us advice and how they do qualify based on their experience.
and I did not mean that we are not allowed to have opinions actually, of course we are, but it just gives that kind of feeling, ya know?
we humble newbies looking up to “them” 
take this with a grain of salt…
berti
Is the proposed totalitarian forum going to require its few contributors to pass a spelling test ? .That will rule out most of the world !
Show me some Respect, humble newbies!! 
I’d leave. It would be like a little exclusive clique/club. Not the kind of place I’d want to be.
~Crysania
I must say I don’t like this idea at all. First, it would be logistically monstrous. Who would do all that assessing? Who would have the time to take all the tests? Major nightmare.
Also, it would immediately lead to a strong sense of elitism. It would be saying “these few people are worthy, all these other people aren’t worth crap.” Also, personally I don’t feel the need to take a test to tell me whether I’m worthy to have an opinion on something. I also don’t feel the need to know how someone else did on such a test when I read what they have to say. Frankly, if someone makes a boneheaded opinion statement on this board, it doesn’t stand for long before lots of other people have shot it down. Anyone who sees this happening will not be very likely to take that opinion as gospel.
Finally, people know what to expect on the internet. Some good information, some garbage. This applies to message boards too. Caveat emptor – people should be able to recognize an opinion and know to take it with a grain of salt, at least until it’s confirmed by lots of other people.
This proposal, even if it could be implemented, would make this a very unfriendly place and would kill the spirit of it. Besides, I haven’t really seen any major problems arising from newbies being given opinions here. I say no.
Steven
Actually, Crysania, I don’t think I’d be far behind you.
The board at their best are an open, peer-to-peer discussion, where we all stand equal, from the beginner to the advanced.
Change that, and you’ll see the whole personality of the board change, and I don’t think for the better.
–James
Whew, for a while there I thought I’d been fooled by an elaborate joke, but it seems folks are taking this seriously.
Bad, bad idea, it will do nothing but drive folks away.
And what are you trying to solve?
If you’re a knowledgeable person, you’ll be able to tell if I’m spouting BS or not. A little icon next to my name that indicates someone thought I was a decent player on one tune won’t change that.
If you’re a newbie, you should be be careful who you believe anyway. I’ve known some awfully smart folks with PhD’s spew out some pretty ignorant opinions. Being reviewed by a panel didn’t help them.
If you’re trying to address the recent outbursts, I’d say there’s two issues:
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It’s just plain hard at times to communicate this way. Much of the subtly of human interaction is lost when you reduce it to ASCII. Before typing off a flame try to consider the original intentions of the poster and their particular writing style.
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Some folks feel newbies are wrong by the mere fact they’re newbies. Sorry, arguments from authority have never convinced me. If I post something idiotic, feel free to point it. But prove it, telling me I’m wrong because you’re better than I am won’t convince me.
For example when David Migoya posts regarding a Rudall-Rose, I pay attention. Is that because some clique of folks have bestowed upon him the right to post regarding RR’s? No, it’s because he’s proven over and over again he knows what he talking about and is worth listening too.
Sorry to you use as an example David, if you’re reading this.
This board has worked well for a good while, don’t go screwing it up.
Eddie
If you’re a newbie, you should be be careful who you believe anyway. I’ve known some awfully smart folks with PhD’s spew out some pretty ignorant opinions. Being reviewed by a panel didn’t help them.
I’d have to second that (being guilty on all counts…I’ll getcha Eddie)
Beside its much more statistically relevant to judge on the basis of the avatars anyway! Count 'em and see! (Eddie and I, for instance have picked them to reflect our conservative and well informed viewpoints…well, Eddie did…I just thought mine was handsome!)
Jack
Ha, just search Google’s archive of USENET to see some of the stupid things I’ve said over the years. But be careful, if you get too rough I’ll dig out that photo of you from East Durham!
Actually, my avatar is closest match I could find that looked like me without being me. However my fur is slightly darker.
Me](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie_Monster%22%3EMe) Want Cookie!
Eddie
I picked mine because I think my dog is just too cute…I think I need to get out more.
~Crysania
You were my freind, and it seems you werent the only one!
I was hoping to be able to sit back and enjoy reading the occasional ‘outpouring of moral indignation’ by those who failed to recognise it as being very tongue in cheek; come on the pipers comment must have given it away? What I didnt expect was for people to actually start agreeing!!! ARGH WHAT HAVE I DONE!?
Seriously, Crysania you said you’d leave if this ever happened. Well me too.
Not that it ever would.
Would it? 
Sorry if I have ruffled anyones feathers, I am a bad bad toad. :roll:
Oh and three cheers to BIGTEX for by far the most entertaining response!
Well, we might eat a couple of babies…but only
a couple, mind you. Best