Wooden Recorder HELP!!!!!!!

Okay, I own a pretty nice wooden soprano recorder. I took it out this morning to do some Baroque stuff and the labium is splintering into pieces!!
I am about ready to tear my hair out! Is there any way I can fix it or at least stop it from getting worse? Please Help! :cry: :cry: :cry:

Too many humidity cycles.

I’d guess it’s had it, but you could try oiling the labium.

Sorry to hear that. Thank goodness it was only a soprano recorder though! :imp:

I know Mollenhauer state that the labium should not be oiled, but I’ve always oiled them, for fear of this happening.

I’m afraid there isn’t much you can do to restore it, as it is the integral part of the head joint. It might make nice parts for another recorder?

If it’s already splintered there’s not much you can do, it’s probably a write off. But you could try sealing it with a superglue or varnish, then filing it flat with a very fine file - like a diamond fingernail file. Best to knock the block out before doing any filing.

BTW - the labium should be oiled for this very reason, since the endgrain of a very shallow piece of wood is taking a lot of humidity when you’re playing the instrument.

Sorry to hear about your loss, but at least you have a good reason to buy a nice new one.

I’ve never understood, and therefore have never followed, the advice to not oil the labium. I can see being very cautious not to over-oil, but it seems to me to be the most vulnerable part.

I tried oiling a couple of recorder labiums recently, on the thinking that even if it made them sound worse, the oil would eventually go away (I don’t use drying oils).

No difference to one, the other did sound worse - it has a tendency to splutter, presumably because of water droplets.

Now I just have to wait.

That sounds like a lot of condensation - maybe you’re not warming the instrument up enough before playing it? I’ve never experienced such a thing, even when playing my recorders cold.

AH ME!!!

I am now stuck with a plastic LMI recorder!

It’s okay I guess…sturdy and withstandable against sitting…can’t say much for the sound quality though…

Mabye I’ll have a funeral for that nice wooden soprano. :frowning: :frowning: :frowning:

I guess I better start shopping.Lol.

How is it possible that you only have ONE wooden recorder?!

That’s some discipline.

I like plastic for practice. Btw - Mollenhauer recommend you don’t lubricate the labium with recorder oil - precisely for that reason: condensation on the labium is more likely to develop. Catch 22 huh? Don’t oil it … it disintegrates. Oil it … condensation … which reduces playing time on the recorder. This is one great reason to have a whole battery of recorders :slight_smile:

Only one wooden soprano recorder.

I’m certainly going to lubricate the labium on my next soprano. And on my other wooden instruments.

sniff I will miss that recorder terribly. It was a present from my dad.

I think I also have R.O.A.D. Recorder Obsesive Aquisition Disorder. LOL.
Must have an army recorders, my new law of life.lol.

I will replace tenfold the one I have lost. :smiley:

You’re not going for a tenor recorder then?

I can’t say anything floats my boat … other than bass recorders. I’d like to try a great bass this time - or next time when i go to the Early Music Festival.

With bass recorders … you just can’t develop ROAD - they’re too expensive!

But they’re absolutely worth it. They do everything! They play bass clef and treble clef (i.e. confusing to read music for)…the new ones have an ultra-modern sophistimeducamated F sharp key! Crikes - think of the innovation that went into that lol. They’re majestic (i.e. slow to sound), they boost your arm muscles (heavy behemoths without the strap) and make you incredibly sexy. My girlfriend says she just loves it when she sees me play it. She says: ā€˜My goodness! What a gorgeous hunk!’































(of wood) :laughing:

Think I’ll go for a nice set, with a soprano and a tenor… Mabye with a treble too! heheehehhehe
I think I’ve just been suppressing my ROAD all these years..

Perhaps I’ve gone mad with the death of my recorder! That would explain my new ROAD frenzy!!!
muahahahahahaha! JK! LOL! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

I must be mad…

I was curious about this advice because it is contrary to my experience, so I went to the Mollenhauer website. They have the following page:

http://www.mollenhauer.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34&Itemid=114&lang=en

which does recommend oiling the labium. I think you may be confusing the labium with the block/windway roof.

Yes you’re right.

My German isn’t as good as it used to be - just as well you’ve corrected me before I leave mine to crack (thanks!). And they now have an English version website with a full explanation!


Think I’ll go for a nice set, with a soprano and a tenor… Mabye with a treble too! heheehehhehe
I think I’ve just been suppressing my ROAD all these years..

Errr…all at once?!

I’ve only ever been a one type of recorder repertoire person. It drives me nuts having to collect different repertoire for different instruments. The one instrument I really dislike, is the piano, yet most of the music for flute I have, always gives me the piano parts at an inflated price :swear:

If you went for a treble, you’ll have to learn F fingerings [inline fingerings run from E D C- B A G F instead of B A G - F E D C. Some recorder players hate this. I prefer the E D C - B A G F fingering - partly because the repertoire I play never really requires that useless little hard to get at C note at the bottom of the baby recorders like the soprano and tenor :smiley:

It’s possible to get quite confused - if you have a bigger and smaller recorder size to handle around the alto/treble.

Any recorder player who’s serious about it will have a few different sizes; soprano, alto and tenor is a reasonable start.

I’ve put myself in an unusual position by playing Scottish traditional music on recorders. For that, the keys are widely variable and not usually negotiable - you play it with other people, and there are set keys for almost every tune, determined by the peculiarities of their instruments. You can’t grow new notes off the ends of the range of the smallpipes or expect folk-style fiddlers to play much beyond first position, and you can’t usually persuade singers to change their favourite key up or down by even a semitone.

I often play with a diatonic harmonica player and we have complementary limitations - he has to switch instruments when the key changes, I have to switch when the range changes. He says he doesn’t actually play the harmonica - his instrument is the whole set of them in different keys and tunings that he has on the table. The same could be said about recorders (or whistles, the same applies there). To play the music I want to play, I have to have a whole bunch of recorders in different keys and pitches. (In particular, I find a G alto or sopranino indispensable and have six of them - most recorder players have never seen one).

By now I can tell what instrument I need within the first two bars of any new tune somebody starts up in a session. It doesn’t take long at all to get the hang of a new pitch or fingering system. My latest toy is a C clarinet, which fingers basically like an F bass recorder in the low register and a C descant in the high one.

I already have a Plastic Alto Recorder, yuck. I’ve been wanting to upgrade to wood for a while. I also own a sopranino, which also has the same fingerings. The tenor I’ve been wanting awhile and with the death of my soprano…

I think Mollenhauer has a few sets with all three in the same case. That grenadilla wood is so handsome…

The one instrument I really dislike, is the piano, yet most of the music for flute I have, always gives me the piano parts at an inflated price > :swear: >

Really? I love Piano… Sniff JK.

Music in general is terribly expensive. I always try to buy books with as much music stuffed in them as possible, you end up saving more in the long run. :smiley: :smiley:

I have several altos, in wood, plastic and ā€œresinā€ - expensive plastic. And I have to say that while they all have different voices, the plastic Yamaha 300 (which cost 30 euro) is a fine instrument. Clear, reedy tone. It doesn’t have the expressive range of my Coolsma in terms of timbre and volume, but it really is an excellent instrument. Very reliable and well in tune. So I wouldn’t automatically knock plastic.

The resin alto is made by Vincent Bernolin, and it’s an excellent instrument (a Stanesby copy). The major roughing out is done by NC machines, and the voicing, finish boring, undercutting of tone holes and so on are done by hand. The block is pencil cedar. I often use it - despite preferring the tone of the Coolsma - for recitals because it’s the one instrument I have that never clogs. It has a rather buzzier voice than the Coolsma, which works very well with violin. And - like the Yamaha - you can play it as long as you like with no fear of damaging it. The Bernolin costs around 400 euros. It’s definitely an upgrade over the Yamaha, as well as over many mass produced wood recorders.

The Coolsma has a more intense, woody, richer voice and is my favourite instrument. But it cost a lot more than either of the other two. I’m currently saving up for a Prescott.

Just to say that wood is not necessarily an upgrade, unless you’re going to spend a lot of money on a handmade instrument by Von Huene or Prescott or Rohmer or any of the great modern recorder makers. Just getting a wood recorder may be disappointing once you get over the initial excitement about the material.

I already have a > Plastic > Alto Recorder, yuck. I’ve been wanting to upgrade to wood for a while. I also own a sopranino, which also has the same fingerings. The tenor I’ve been wanting awhile and with the death of my soprano…

I think Mollenhauer has a few sets with all three in the same case. That grenadilla wood is so handsome…

Me too. The Suzuki ones are very good actually, but it’s not that … it’s the pitch. I’m just not interested in high pitched instruments. So I only go out to buy repertoire I know I can play on the bass recorder. Most of the bass recorder players I know, have a plastic alto or descant lying around, but the bass recorder is (or was) our main instrument. I notice in the fabuolous John & Peter’s Whistling Book virtuoso recordings of recorder music - John does not actually play a single piece of bass recorder music across the 44+ tunes of repertoire. This is no surprise - recorder players tend to play all three, but not the bass as solo.

Lol - you’ve got some expensive taste - Mollenhauer grenadilla?! Crikes. I can’t imagine how much that would cost … There are some good music websites for free (expired copyright) - hope you have a few :slight_smile: One website has the complete volume of Andriessen’s Virtuoso studies for flute - around 50+ pages. When you look at the scalar complexity of the music, you realise why. It would take a genius to play all 50 pages without turning over his instrument to play the triangle :slight_smile:

For me the Grenadilla is just a far dream..Someday I’ll get one.

Ah me, Why do instruments have to be sooooo expensive!?!?!?!

I’ve got one plastic alto that plays beautifully in the lower register, but for the life of me will not go any higher.

I think it’s a plastic wood finish. Say’s Berkeley on it. I’ve tried cleaning it before, doesn’t seem to make a difference.
It looks quite pretty, it’s just a shame it won’t play well.

hmmmm… Any suggestions to make the unplayable playable?

If your recorder is a Berkeleywind (a brand I’ve never heard of before) it may well be total crap.

Look at this video, which seems to be a promo by the maker:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_phThh1J_A

Apart from just sounding horrible and being incompetently played, the low B flat fingering is T123 4-6-.

Some advert.