Tuning The Regs

Just quoting what I remember from Leo Rowsome’s tutor is all. It’s what I’ve done for the past ten years based on what I read and have been told and observed others do. Makes sense since you can play an A and tune your drones with the right hand. Never trust back D or bottom D as they are the most likely to be out of tune with the chanter due to reed seating etc. and hardest to get INTO tune.
Even highland pipers tune to their equivalent of A, ie, the note a 5th above the tonic. It’s the most easiest to hear the harmony and adjusting the seating of the reed has great affect on the balance of the chanter above and below the 5th note.

Also, reed seating will affect the overall balance of tuning by affecting the top notes and bottom notes more than the A so it makes sense to check you chanter’s tuning against the drones by tuning to harmonise with the A first, then check it on the Ds.

Once I have the drones in harmony with the A, I then check the chanter’s overall balance by checking each individual note’s harmony with the drones - something that is only possible with just intonation. The further up or down from the A the more likely there is to be a lack of harmony due to the reed not seated in the ideal position. This is what Rowsome was getting at when he says to tune to A and then check the Ds to the drones. I remember he said - if the drones seek too far out then do so and so to the chanter reed, if the drones seek too far in, do such and such to the chanter reed, ie, tune the drones to the A and test the rest of the chanter to the drones.

I think we’re forgetting that we need to think wholistically when tuning. Start with tuning the drones to the chanter, but then tune everything else according to everything else, in short,until you have harmony.

On a just intonation instrument such as the pipes, you should then be able to play D on the drones, E on the chanter and f# on the regulators and have perfect harmony - somthing that is impossible on a piano.



The check your chanter’s low D against the drones and then the Back D against the drones and depending on whether the D is sharp or flat against the drones will determine how far in or out to reseat the chanter reed.


As I said, you can check bottom d with your drones, but the point is not to make the Ds your reference point. That’s the A’s task, being the most reliable relativiely speaking. Yes it will go up and down with the humidity but it’s still the safest option in my opinion. When talking to Andy Irvine recently he told me they ALWAYS had problems with Liam O’Flynn’s tuning but that they never worried too much about it - they’d just simply tune up to his A whereever it was.

Often when I make a reed, or reseat a reed, the top hand notes above the A (b, c and back D) are flattening as I go up and the bottom hand notes are sharpening as I descend. Tuning the drones to bottom D would give me a false reading. Tuning to A allows me to check the overall balance. If the top notes are flat against the drones, then the reed is too far out. When I push the reed further in (only a smidgin) it brings the whole chanter into balance. Sure, the A may now be slightly sharper, but the balance is correct - no need for putty and rushes, except I admit, a little in the bell, but mainly to balance out soft d and hard D to bring them into tune with each other.

In the end, I think we’re splitting hairs and it doesn’t really matter - it’s all a means to an end.

Cheers,

DavidG

Most intelligent thing I’ve seen written here yet.

God help UPs if we all started listening to any one person as the be all and end all authority on any aspect of the pipes. There’s many ways to achieve the same ends, and the more alternate methods that get posted here the more options we all get a chance to learn about. Not all solutions will work for everybody in every situation, so we need to hear about as many different ways of doing things that others can offer.

djm

True, but the secret is to figure out who knows and who’s still learning here.

Lorenzo said;

True, but the secret is to figure out who knows and who’s still learning here.

DJM, if you think this is a rub, it probably is

Well, here’s one person who probably has a bit of authority on the subject -

http://homepage.tinet.ie/~robertscharles/tunedrones.html

Cheers,

DavidG

You got it.

Hey, David…do you play the sax? (I just visited your web site) that’s a huge 'zouk body your friend on the left is playing.

What David P. said!!! :smiley: (nah, I wouldn’t rub djm, he does it for me! :wink: )

Sorry, Lorenzo…not I who plays the sax. Ceri, the guy on guitar at the right plays that one. It was when I heard him play it for the first time that I realised that my chanter was actually very quiet :slight_smile:

The ‘zouk’ thingy I don’t think is a zouk actually and to be honest, I’ve never actually asked Martin (the player) what it was :smiley: I just took it for granted that what ever it was, it sounded good.

Cheers,

DavidG

Don’t make me feckin laugh!! :roll: Your postings average 4.95 per day totalling 2593 so far :astonished:
I am sure Debbie would be amazed at how ye manage to twist logic on its head then quote her as the source.Bollox.
She obviously said to you to make sure the drones were in tune with the rest of the set.
In between posting to this board do ye actually play the regs?Do ye play the Chanter?
or are ye composing a Tutor???
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A very Limited Edition ,
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**Go back to Debbie and listen!!!**If ye have to write then do it right!!
Slán Agut
Uilliam

This thread is funny.. :laughing:

Just want to say i’m with AlanB on this one! :stuck_out_tongue:

Tuning yer regs to yer drones.., whehehe.. :boggle:

This thread isn’t funny - its sad. Its the most barking thing I’ve read in ages - WOOF!

Get a grip you guys, you’re gonna confuse and put more people off carrying on like this than you’re going to help.
Having said that, I have to agree with Alan on this one though - doing anything different is just bonkers.

There, thats my twopennerth worth!

hya Becky…would that be a quote frae Geoff Woof!! :wink:

Slán Go Foil
Uilliam

Well…I no longer know who said what and I’m not going to go and re-read the entire thread but what I know is, it’s all a bit of a magic circle.

Logic has it, and Leo Rowsome told me (via his book) to tune the drones to the chanter’s A and tune the regulators to the chanter.

Once your A blends with the drones DON’T TOUCH THE DRONES - it’s now up to your chanter and reed to get into tune by re-seating the reed hopefully is all that’s necessary. That’s what is meant by setting up the reed, and once it’s in balance, don’t touch it!! It means that as the chanter’s tuning changes with the humidity, it generally does so over the entire spectrum of the octaves, such that all is generally needed, especially on stage under stage lights, is simply to reach down and adjust the drones to the A note again and all is right once more. I once did a gig in the middle of winter. The first gig was on an outside stage at night. The air was damp and it was cold. My pipes went down to below 438hz. I tuned the drones down to suit. No probs - all still in balance even up to high D although the dampness caused back d to weaken.

The next gig was 20 minutes later inside on a stage under a tent with many very hot stage lights. Within 5 minutes the pipes had shot up to about 442hz. No worries - reach down with bottom hand, re-tune drones. All in tune and still in balance. The rest of the band thought it was quite hilarious.

Then-

Tune your tenor regulator to your chanter. That’s the critical bit. Why?? Because it’s a combination of chanter and regulator that produce the chords primarily, over the drones. Yes, the drones are important. But if you’re going to tune anything to anything, it has to be the chanter and the regs. Sorry, but the drones are the third person in this relationship.

If your chanter is in balance overall, and your regulators are in balance overall, then you will have harmony. Once the heat of the stage lights causes the double reeds to sharpen, it’s a simple matter of taking your bottom hand off the chanter, play an A on the chanter and re-tune the drones to your chanter. Then with the same hand you can re-tune your regulators if you really must. Hopefully your regulator reeds sharpen or flatten in as much sync with the chanter as possible, but I feel that’s just a wish.

Sorry, don’t mean to harp on. It’s 12:06 in the morning and I can’t sleep. Got these out of tune pipes in my head and I work on thinking them into tune, but just as I get there, BANG!!! they gone out of tune again.

Over and out,

DavidG

Fancy Phil wondered if regulators can be in tune in the 2nd octave. They can. You can’t have any leaks and you need one of those good reeds in there, the staple must be the correct size too - smallish. Narrow bore sets are nice in this regard, you can take a duff chanter reed and use it in the regulators. Recycling. An easy playing chanter reed helps a lot too, of course. I always heard about Hillman making real train tunnel bores though, so good luck.
Certainly I sometimes play the regulators alone against the drones while tuning, as well as tuning them to the chanter. You can hear if everything’s going well a bit better. Leo Rowsome had two rushes in his chanter and a disc of cork in the bell - he liked a bit of versatility it seems. I’ve a rush in my own concert chanter - I’ve never made a reed that didn’t need one - it likely was designed to use one, too. So at times I do “tune the chanter.” But my flat chanters don’t need these rushes, so I can understand both sides of this argument. I hardly every monkey around with the concert pitch rush now, anyway.
The goal in the end is that sound you get with everything spot on - that’s a better high than every guitar chord in history.

The man can play so don’t doubt him.

http://www.fianna.hu/hun/mp3/002_Fianna%20-%20Corno%20And%20The%20Monsters.mp3

http://www.fianna.hu/eng/frame.htm


and he makes reeds.
Worked miracles on a bit of firewood I sent him that I had bought when I knew nothing about piping.

You’re talking about the mighty Mr. Alan Burton…right? I can’t wait to try out one of his skilled creations. :wink:

I have listened to the music he puts forth…and in my somewhat stupified state of being, I nolonger need to ask ‘just what was the license plate # of the piper’s truck that bowled me over?’…mighty music altogether! :smiley:

Looks like a big bouzouki to me. Hey David, I just listened to your sound clips & snips. You’re doing very well on those pipes! Your band looks like a lot of fun.

Thanks Lorenzo :slight_smile: I’ve actually just gotten back into doing serious practice again after a lull of a few years. Even though I’d been with the band doing regular gigs and all, what with all the other commitments, moving around, going to Indonesia to live for a bit and all I just didn’t have the time to practice regularly. The band repertoir got stale and my own ability began to wane.

The gig we did in the photo you posted above was last year and we did a similar one same time this year (same festival). I was video taped by a friend. When I watched myself on the tv I realised just how out of form I’d become. That was it…I’m pulling my finger out and setting myself an hour a day upon return from work and getting these things up and running again. That was about three months ago now and things are looking on the up again.

I have some phrasing issues to work on (and a bad Back D) but I’m getting there. Baby steps. :slight_smile: So the tunes on my sight (as crap as they sound - bad recordings) are representative of where I’m at at the moment after a long and steady back slide which I hope I’ve put a halt to.

We’ve got a gig coming up this December (the first in a while, now that we’ve all got jobs, babies etc) so I’m looking forward to getting back together and doing some fresh stuff. We’ve decided to go back to the more traditional settings rather than the funk stuff, which was fun, but it’s time to go back and re-assess. One day (when we grow up :slight_smile: ) we’ll become fire engines..opss…I mean…we’ll make a CD.

Cheers for now,

DavidG

Whoa!!! That’s a cracker sound file!! :thumbsup: Where can I purchase the CDs from? I don’t think I’ve ever seen them in Australia.