Tune Ident help needed

Hey all, I got a CD called “Heart of Ireland” by various artistes. Theres this Paddy Keenan track on it that they call “The Ballintore Jig”

GAB~DB~DBABCBAG BA~FA~FAgfedBCA

There must be some mistake in the title there because the thing is in reel rhythm not jig rhythm. Does anyone know the name of this tune and the tune that follows it in the set?

GB~GBdBGBBFGAD GB~GBdBeAAGFGAD

Its supposedly on Paddy Keenan’s CD “Poirt An Phiobaire”.
Thanks!

I know little about Paddy Keenan’s recordings but the second one is the Ballintore Fancy. Originally a 12/8 single jig, the rhythm is easily toppled over into 4/4/ reel-time.
The tune was played (and recorded)by Leo Rowsome in combination with what he called the Kerry jig. Exactly this set was used on the second Bothy band lp, so like that that Keenan got it from Rowsome. As did Willie Clancy who also recorded the tune (a version of his appears in one of the Breathnach collections).

As a note: some collections on the net have started emplying G ~B indicating a particular figure in a reel, more common practice (and more correctly)is using GB ~B
(it fits the time signature and you actually play the roll on that second B)

[ This Message was edited by: Peter Laban on 2001-11-22 04:11 ]

As a note: some collections on the net have started emplying G ~B indicating a particular figure in a reel, more common practice (and more correctly)is using GB ~B
(it fits the time signature and you actually play the roll on that second B)

Don’t forget the 2, Peter (GB ~B2).

In general, and to digress, I’d rather people left rolls and other ornaments out of transcriptions, leaving the player to decide whether and how to decorate a passage. A fiddler or whistler might put a treble rather than a roll in such a passage.

I preferred Breathnach’s approach in Ceol Rince na hÉireann I where a little round hat sign indicated a decoration suited to the instrument or the player.

Anyway, who says you have to play rolls at all? One of my pet hates is Miles Krassen’s reworking of O’Neill’s, in which he felt it necessary to put rolls everywhere, obscuring many melodic figures with what he thought a Sligo-style fiddle-players would do. Outrageous treatment of someone else’s work, and he had the neck to call it “O’Neill’s Music of Ireland.”

*/End of rant./

Steve

Don’t forget the 2, Peter (GB ~B2).

You are perfectly right there, I was hardly awake when I started on that.

I agree with you on the approach Breandan B took, even if he digressed from it for volume two. The ~ ofcourse works the same even if it doesn’t look like the nail clipping (or half moon) Breandan introduced. My fault calling it a roll. Although this being a transcription of Keenan’s playing we can assume a roll there. :slight_smile: