Sorbish/ Wendish Bagpipes.... especially the Mechawa

My fellow Pipers, here’s a subject that is a bit obscure in the World of Bagpipes,
the Sorb or Wendish “Kozol” (Goat Pipe) and the “Mechawa” (the Smaller One).
To see and hear something of this Music, Please gOOgle the site of
the Sorb Folk Ensemble “Schleife” I tried to type out the URL here, but I
couldn’t get it to take all the Letters, and I tried many times without success !
This ensemble also has a Page on My Space Music.
After reading the excellent Book by Josef Rezny “Der Sorbische Dudelsack”
(published at Budysin, Lusatia, OR Bautzen, Germany, 1993 and 1997)
I can safely say that The Sorb “Kozol” is very similar to the Wielkopolska Duda of West Central Poland,
and the Czech Dudy/Bohemian Bock.
The “Mechawa” is also described in Mr. Rezny’s Book, and is of more interest to me,
as the “Mechawa” appears to be a Folk-Survival of the “Hummelchen” (Little Bee) as
depicted in Michael Praetorius’ “Syntagma Musicum” (circa 1618).
Most of the Germanic Pipers/Makers of the current revival, loosely label a small “Schaferpfeife”
(Sheep herd’s Pipe) as a “Hummelchen”. The Praetorius Hummelchen actually looks like
a Northumbrian Small Pipe, and Ernst Eugen Schmidt, the author of many Books on
Germanic Bagpipes (such as “Vom Singenden Dudelsack”, Balingen, 2005) wrote an article
for the Northumbrian Piper’s Society annual, some years ago, on the possible origin of the “NSP” in
the Hummelchen, which it seems, is slightly earlier than the "NSP"on the time-line of the 1600s.
The Sorb Mechawa has 3 drones in a common stock and has a small, single-reeded Chanter.
I know that our “Celt-Pastor” also “Haunts the Halls” of another Germanic Bagpipe Blog similar
to this C&F forum, and since his English is so Good, I want to turn this over to him, as he has
most probably “Ploughed the Field” on this subject in greater detail than my rather thin knowledge
of German can get me. I remember that some Pipe maker in Slovakia makes these Mechawa(s)
Pipes, and there is a Biographic page on Tomaz Nawka and Steffen Kostorz, for the 1998 season
of the Vancouver B.C. Folk Festival, where they were guest Sorb Pipers.
If there are some more Knowledge-ABLE Pipers who have some more info about this subject,
Please come forward, OR As Humming “an Durd Fine” was the way to call up Finn McCool’s “Fine” (Fin-Ya)
I’m Humming on my Hummelchen… Starting Now !!! Huuuuuummmmm Sean Folsom

Hi Sean,
although I am not the Celt-Pastor, I will try to answer your questions as well as I can…
First of all, you are confusing two very similar names - the “Mechawa” is the second of the bigger bagpipes of the sorb people, tuned in F rather than Eb, with a straight drone, and a plain leather bag instead of the white goatskin.
The “Mechawka” is the smallpipe, as you described it, with three drones in a common stock and a single-reed, cylindrical-bore chanter. This instrument is extinct, although it has been reconstructed by Pavel Cíp I am not aware of anyone actually playing it. A very similar instrument was known in Bohemia under the name “Moldanky” of which a few specimen have survived in museums. It has been reconstructed by Pavel Cíp and can be heard on Josef Rezny’s CD “The Hidden Spell of the czech Bagpipes”. It seems to be very similar to the “Dudey” as described by Praetorius, the difference being in the tuning of the drones: while Praetorius gives Eb - Bb - Eb’ for the drones, the Moldanky drones are tuned to tonic, third and fifth. The Mechawka, however, seems to have been tuned tonic - fifth - tonic. The triad tuning of the Moldanky corresponds with another extinct german bagpipe called “Dreibrümmchen” of which I know nothing except that it has been reconstructed by Horst Grimm of Nürnberg, possibly the same instrument.
The only difference Praetorius describes between Hümmelchen and Dudey is the number of drones (two for the Hümmelchen, three for Dudey) and the tuning (C for Hümmelchen, Eb for Dudey). Indeed, most of today’s instrument makers call a Hümmelchen with three drones a Dudey. It should not be forgotten, however, that today’s reconstruction does not correspond with Praetorius’ description: while he gives a range from b (as leading note) to c’ which is very common for a west-european bagpipe, the “normal” reconstruction has a range from c to d’, employing recorder fingering. It is not, BTW, a small Schäferpfeife, the Schäferpfeife having a tapered-bore chanter, today’s reconstruction usually employing french cornemuse-fingering. For the Dudey, Praetorius gives a range from eb to d’ which leads me to think this instrument probably had only six fingerholes and no thumbhole. Also (but this is admittedly my speculation) from the name “Dudey” I tend to derive a slavic origin of the instrument which might mean a single reed in the chanter, as is the case with the Mechawka and Moldanky.
The slovakian pipemaker who makes these instruments (excellent workmanship, very beautiful, and at a very reasonable price) is Juraj Dufek (www.gajdy.bagpipes.sk), the Pastor has one of his instruments. Juro actually names it “Mulitanky”.
In our german bagpipe forum you mentioned, we have a member of the Schleife Folk Ensemble, I will ask her if she can provide more information.
May you never lose your humm-our,
Michael “Dude-y” Loos
(sorry, I couldn’t resist…)

THANK YOU MICHAEL LOOS !!!
(and regards to your sister,(ROOS see below) who is a friend of mine, on My Space Music !)
While you were answering my 1st post here, I was looking up Mr. Juraj Dufek
of Bojnice, Slovakia.
His page on his “Mulitanky” (and I sure hope this works !) is:

http://www.bagpipes.sk/historical-bagpipes-mulitanky.php

Oh, I can see from the preview, that the script on this site won’t print
any URLs with dashes in the address…suffice it to say it’s a good
page with two J-peg Photos and a sound sample, in addition to the text.
It looks like the scale of the chanter is not a complete Octave,
perhaps Si, Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La . The Sorb “Mechawka” or “Moldanky”
Chanter in Mr. Rezny’s Book, has 6 holes in front, with a back Thumb Hole.
The total length of the Chanter is 149mm with a Bore of 5.5mm .
It looks like this could have a scale of Do, Re, Mi, Fa, Sol, La ?
I do know enough German to know what “Drei-Brumm-chen” means !!!
( 3 little Fahrts ) Too Much Fun, I’m having…
As for your contact with Schleife Ensemble…Yes, she is the Beautiful Redheaded
Woman “Ortrune” who has her own My Space Music page, and a 59 second Video
of her playing her Sorb Kozol in Eb. Marvellous !!!
Thanks for Your quick reply ! Humming-Humming…
Sean Folsom

??? :confused:

Michael !!!
SORRY, SORRY, SO SORRY !!! She isn’t Your Sister !!!
Her name is ROOS and she lives in Ypres, and HER brother plays a Bagpipe.
As it’s 3:57 in the Morning here in California, I just crossed the Wires in my Brain…
“Loos for Roos” If you really care to look all this up,
go to My Space Music, type in “Sean The Piper” in the search field then look at my list of Friends.
Roos has an icon of a Vielle a Roue… click on that and read her “Statistics” she’s 59 years old
like me-self and I don’t know what she looks like as Roos is too modest !
I’m going to go to sleep now so I won’t make anymore mistakes and offend anybody
through my careless thoughts.
Please forgive me !!!
Sean

For her own sake, I hope she doesn’t look in any way like me…

Hi there :wink: !

I just readed, that somebody is talking about me.
I think the following link may be interessting for you: http://www.sorbisches-folkloreensemble-schleife.de/ You mentioned somethink like this in your first thread above.

Until now i never dealed with Bagpipe English and the last time i spoke english was some time ago,so i may need a little bit to come in again :wink: I hope you understand me nevertheless.

So, what was actually you question ??

Guten Tag, Fraulein Ortrune !!!
Danke Danke for the working URL you gave here, for your Ensemble Schleife !
My questions are:

  1. Are there any Mechawka Makers and/or Mechawka Pipers in the Sorb community ?
  2. Is there any Music for the Mechawka (Drucken oder Handschrift) ?
  3. What was the Scale of the Chanter, and the Tuning of the Drones ?
  4. If the Sorb Pipers and Pipe Makers have not revived this Instrument,
    Why Not (Varoom nicht) ?
    I think it could be easy to do, as the plans for one of these Pipes can be
    found in Josef Rezny’s Book,
    “Der Sorbische Dudelsack” Bautzen (1993 + 1997)
    which you are familiar with, I’m sure.
    Thank You for Your Time and Trouble, Ortrune, and
    WELCOME to the Chiff and Fipple “Non-Uilleann-Pipe” Forum !!!
    Sean Folsom

Hallo Ortrune, schön, Dich hier zu treffen!
Sean,
I’ve just had a look at Rezny’s book again, and, as I understand it, the Mechawka had already been near extinction at Heinze’s time (1799), being exclusively used for table music at weddings (p.66), and probably has vanished completely only a few years later, with no specimen surviving.
AFAIK (possibly Ortrune might know better), there is only one Sorb pipemaker, Karl Tillich from Hoyerswerda, who learned most of his pipemaking art in Poland, as he told me a couple of years ago. He has always been making on a part-time basis, turning out one instrument per year at the most. Since he is not a young man, he is taking things slower lately.
Pavel Cíp has made a few sorb bagpipes of all three types but he doesn’t offer them in his catalogue. These can however be seen in the Sorb museum in Bautzen.
I have just seen that Jens Güntzel now offers a sorb Mechawa, obviously planning to offer all three types of sorb bagpipes in the future (www.dudelsackwerkstatt.de). Jens lives in the sorb area of Saxony, although not being ethnic Sorb himself, and had been planning on making these instruments for a good while but other projects have put him in delay.
I’m afraid there is not a sheer abundance of Sorb bagpipe players, I believe there are less than twenty altogether, and possibly not all of them actively playing (hopefully Ortrune wil correct me and say there are hundreds, happily piping away…). I am not at all familiar with the sorb tradition and culture but normally, in relatively small communities, one of the main problems is arousing an interest among young people (who wants to play the little squeaker when the big hairy blaster is available?), otherwise the tradition will become over-aged and get a sort of museal character (next to which will follow extinction with the passing away of the older generation), and certainly, the preserving of the still-alive tradition is of bigger importance than the revival of an instrument that has been dead for 200 years… I’m afraid we have to accept the Mechawka has gone the way of the dodo and the dinosaur, and if a revival takes place, it may not be within the Sorb community (actually, looking at the plans, I might make one for myself…if I find the time…).
In these plans, Rezny gives a diatonic scale in A major for the chanter, and drone tuning e, a, e’. These are actually taken from a bohemian moldanky (the Sobeslav instrument) but “can serve for reconstructing the sorb Mechawka” (p.116).
As for the music, I’ll leave you to Ortrune’s knowledge because I know nothing at all…

Thank You Again Michael !!!
You have answered my questions Whole or in Part, and you are very kind to translate out of those
parts of Josef Rezny’s book (I don’t have a copy, only my friend Oliver Seeler, has this book),
the sentences which mention the history and usage (at the Wedding Table) of the Sorb “Mechawka” Small Pipes.

As to the surviving Sorb Pipes being in two different Keys Eb “Kozol” and F “Mechawa”, it reminds me of the
Wielkopolska tradition in “Spungen”, of the Black Haired Goat “Dudy Slubny” played GOING TO THE WEDDING,
in the key of F major, and the White Haired Goat “Dudy Weselny” in Eb, that is played, only
AT THE WEDDING CEREMONY. It would be interesting if there is a similar Wedding Tradition for the Sorb Pipes ?
We have various Pipers here in the USA, that own these kinds of Polish Pipes, and I have worked on a Dudy
Slubny myself, to get it going for a Lady Piper, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, Blanche Kerbechek.

I’m going to hold off anymore commentary until Miss Ortrune writes her own text here on C&F,
except to say that the Low Numbers of Sorb Pipers are in line with many of the Polish Piping Traditions,
in their different localities.
I am given to understand that the Wielkopolska tradition has some 300+ Pipers at the present time.
The Gorale/ Zakopane tradition has had the least number of Pipers, which (until recently) was down to 10
Pipers 2 of which are/were also Pipe Makers.
Thank You So Much, Michael !!!
Sean

Mick, I like this very much! The piping community should learn from living masters of piperes where available, instead of forming “Neo-pseudo-mediaeval-punk” bands.
Let me think: hmm, I’ve never seen really good pipers in any of these kinds of bands.
Miki

  1. I also only know Karl Tillich, who makes the pipes for our ensemble.
  2. I think there is, but I havnt seen it until know. I know one of our pipers played the Mechawa last year on an “sorb wedding”. It was no real wedding, but reacted by the socalled “Sorbischer Hochzeitszug”, a “sorb wedding procession”. It a association for reacting a sorb wedding, the clothes, traditions aso. So I guess there must be some sheets :wink: The mechaw was made last yaer by Karl Tillich, but i doesnt works well, I never played it myself, so dont know want the problem is, wrong pressur from the player or if the Rohrblatt / Stimme (i dont know what it is in english) is not correct or if its very sensible. I dont know, nobody knows. You see, its a little bit a great secret :wink: We are as Mick sayed not many pepole, and those people who are able to handle with questions like this are very busy with other thinks. So I would like to lern to make Rohrblätter or make a Kozol or Mechawa and so on, but in the moment its not possbile. Here nobody is an “bagpipe player” or somethink, the most are old people the others are not interessed in, they are inly playing and not thinking about the instrument.
  3. Puh, … I dont know. I guess it could be like the Kozol? But i will ask it toworrow, i will meet then the Mechawa plaer. I hope i dont forget to ask…
  4. So as I told you above the Mechawa is revived. Actually they are saying, in the sob music has been no revival. The were always some people who played the sorb music.

Maybe I can make some ad, from 18.06.2010 to 20.06.2010 will be here in Schleife a bagpipe fetival with bagpipers from the whole world. Its planned, that it alternates with the Strakonice (?) festival, which is every 2 years, so our festivel should be the other every 2 years. Actually it should be in 2008, but it has been canceld, because there wasnt enough money.
In the end of March this year we are playing in Linz.

“Rohrblätter” are reeds.

@Ortrune: Don’t twist Mechawa and Mechawka! Schoen, dass Du hier bist - kommst Du auch nach Balingen?
@Mick: Thx, CU tomorrow! :smiley:
Just a few points to mention:

  1. AfaIk, there is no technical difference between the Mechawka, the Bohemian Moldanky, the Slowak Mulitanky (there’s quite a discussion which of the last two names was original!) and the German Dreibruemmchen. Also, it seems not very probable, that until very recent reconstructions (brought up by Pavel Cip), these were mostly or even at all bellows-blown!
  2. AfaIk, there also is no technical difference between Polish and Sorbish Kozol - except for the point, that modern Sorbish Kozol are played with open fingering (historically, they seem to have been closed-fingered as well!). Same seems to be true for the Mechawa.

Sorry, I really twisted Mechawa and Mechawka in my hole answer.
Actually I never heard of Mechawka until now. I will ask about this Bagpipe today too.

Balingen: Nicht dass ich wüßte. Wann ist da was?

Because of Fingering: Yes, we play it open and afaik our polnish guest or when we were in Poland, they played it closed.

Thank You Ortrune !
I understand your answers very well, and I’m glad to know that there is activity in
the Sorb Bagpiping Community towards reviving the Mechawka for the Wedding Train and Table,
(Hochzeit Zug= literally a “High Time Train”). This is Very Good News, as a History Enthusiast,
I am very much in favor of any Bagpipe Revival that can recapture the sounds of the Olden Times,
by studying and making reproductions of the Old Instruments that were played in those Times.
In an ongoing “Living Tradition”, such as the case with your Sorb Bagpipes, I think the revival of the
Mechawka, extends and augments this Living Tradition by giving even more opportunity for Pipers
to play in many more different situations, especially with such a quiet set of Pipes at a Dinner Table.
I know that the word “Stimme” refers to the Fact that the “Rohrblatt” Reed is not playing the
correct Pitch, in and of itself, in order to Play all the notes of the Chanter (Pfeife) Scale.
Nor is the Reed playing at the proper Pressure, so Not to Worry !!! Your Pipe Makers will work it out !!!
Stimme is part of the German word for Voice (Stimmer) but here in English, I believe it means Pitch.
The word Rohrblatt is interesting when taken apart:
Rohr=a Hollow Tube or Stem. It’s interesting that the English word “ROAR” (a loud sound) is Brullen [with umlauts]
in German and not ROHR which is pronounced the same as “Roar”. A good example of a false Cognate !!!
A Blatt=Leaf (or Sheet), and various kinds of Leaves are folded in half and Blown to make a buzzing sound
in many parts of the world. Could this refer to the “Tongue” of the Reed (Michael ? Kelten-Pastor?).
Now…On to my comment on Nemeth Miklos’ obsevations…
I think the “Mittel-alter-Post-Punk-Heavy-Metal-Doom-and-Gloom Music” of Groups like Corvus Corax etc.
are OUR Young People establishing their own Gemeinschaft to cope with the exhausted, and messed up
Gesellschaften (as in GmbH) of the Global Economy, which we all know, is in such trouble now.
Please note that I’m trying to use the terms Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft in the looser sense of
Ferdinand Tonnies, and not the “ideal” opposition of Max Weber.
I do worry about the overtones and whiffs of Neo-Nazi Social Protest, inside much of this “Movement”…
so get out there and talk to these Young People… play your Pipes to them and get them interested in the
“real” Folk Music. I am struck by how much of this Mittelalter Heavy Metal Music IS informed by real Medieval Music,
and also the Breton Grande Biniou and Bombarde Music. I think some of it “Plays like (William) Shakespeare”
in comparison to the Heavy Metal Bands, here in the USA, which are informed so much, by our
Good Old Blues Music.
OK Enough Said…it’s LATE in the Night, or EARLY in the Morning…Sleepless in Carmel Valley…
Sean Folsom

Im not sure if you know it, but the plant reed is in german Schilf or Schilfrohr. It looks like a tube. And reeds are made of reeds, so its a thin sheet of Schilfrohr.
In our english lesson it was called “false friend”.

Now here’s today’s little lesson of German (and English bagpipe terminology for Ortrune):
the noun “Stimme” means voice. The verb “stimmen” means being right (es stimmt > this is correct). It also refers to an instrument being in tune as well as on pitch.
Sean, you are perfectly right about the “Rohr”. This word can also be used synonymously for “cane”. In the north of Germany the word “Reet” (pronounced like “rate”) is common for cane.
Ortrune, in piping English the plant as well as the material (Schilf) is always referred to as “cane” whereas “reed” is always the tone generator (das Rohrblatt).
“Rohrblatt” in fact means every type of reed although double reed players call their reeds in short “Rohr” while single reed players prefer the word “Blatt”.
In German, there is a verb “röhren” which means pretty much the same as “roar” but in most cases refers to the belling of the male stag.
I can’t remember having heard of the “false friend” in my English lessons, but the last lesson I had 30 years ago so maybe my memory is misleading me. Until now, I thought the “false friend” had to do with substantial flatulence…
Edited to add: sorry for being off-topic!

I fell asleep for awhile, with the computer on, I got up to shut it off ,touched the pad and noticed
your posts, Ortrune, and Michael. Well…Ich stimmt ( I voice it) meaning “I agree” and that was the way
I heard it around Heilbron am Neckar, just up the river from Stuttgart, in Good Old Swabia.
Now for my funny part, which I think I have posted before, and now somewhere deep in the C&F archives…
It’s important to be able to say in all the Bagpiper’s languages,
“My Reed doesn’t work !” in English, then, en Francais “L’Anche, il ne marche pas !”.
Perhaps in German it could be “Meine Rohrblatt ist Kaput ?”
In Espanol: “Mi paletta estan finita”…and so on…come on my C&F masters of many languages…
hummmmmmm ? Turning off the Computer NOW !!!
Sean

" Nem megy a sipom…" (in Hungarian)