Sliabh and Planxty: how do you say them???

A planxty isn’t necessarily all that lively, is it? My understanding is that it’s any tune composed in honor of a patron.

In Irish, “planxty” is spelled “plancstaí” and “boxty” “bacstaí.” They’re phonetic, though, so its possible they came in from other sources and were Irishized.

Redwolf

One of the things we learnt in secondary and tertiary linguistics is that
etymology and current semantics (meaning) are not always related.

Neither the phonic nor script form origin of a word need reflect its
current meaning.

For instance, the etymology of “cope” traces back from Old French ‘colper’
from Latin ‘colpus’ from Greek ‘kolaphos’ meaning to “blow with fist”. As
you can see the Greek semantic is quite distal to what we mean
by “cope”. That doesn’t deny its greek etymology.

I just read last evening, in the Companion to Irish Music (Fintan Vallely) that there’s a possible connection between the words “planxty” and “slainte” --oh help, where’s the accent?

Anyhow, the tune written in honor of someone being like a toast to their health. Those two words do ring a little alike.

Jennie

Gee, thats really deep.
Dog and bog sound alike too.
I know dogs are often muddy
but I never heard a bog bark.

But you may have a point there, after all.
I had an Irish friend who called his dog Peat.

If you’re using Windows, hold down the alt key and type 225 on your number pad to get á.

Redwolf

And there was this band who’s bassplayer was Pete Briquette

I can’t give you a source, of hand, but I’ve heard that ‘planxty’ is simply a scrambled spelling of the English ‘thanks to …’ which, given what a planxty is, wouldn’t be surprising.

You sure it wasn’t a drummer?

Actually Simon Crowe was the drummer

This is a post from Dale, from ages and ages ago…

Uncle Dale’s Guide to Pronunciation of Gaelic



On the newsgroup rec.music.celtic, someone posted a request for help pronouncing the Gaelic word, Claddagh. This was my posted response:



It’s really very simple, like all Gaelic pronunciations:

  1. The “Cl” at the beginning is pronounced "Firz’

  2. The “a” is actually pronounced like the English phoneme

“arrrgh”

  1. “d” is normally pronounced “d”, but the double d (“dd”) is

pronounced “ger-ger”

  1. And, of course, the “agh” is prounounced “eye-loo”

  2. So, putting it all together, the word “Claddagh” is

pronounced:

“Firz-arrrgh-ger-ger-eye-loo”



See, simple!!

  1. “d” is normally pronounced “d”, but the double d (“dd”) is

pronounced “ger-ger”

Simple? Dale didn’t say if “ger” is pronounced “grrr”, “gair”, “jrrr”, or “jair”. Hmph.

Slippery slope here, Nano. If I recall correctly, in Welsh Gaelic the “dd” represents the hard “th” sound in “though” as opposed to the soft “th” sound in “threw”.

djm

I’ll direct you to this group, Bwrdd yr Iaith Gymraeg:

http://www.bwrdd-yr-iaith.org.uk/

Wonder how they’ll take to the idea of Welsh Gaelic. Wink, nudge. :wink:

Not very well at all, I’m afraid. Welsh is Celtic, certainly, but it isn’t Gaelic. They may throw laverbread at you! :smiley:

Redwolf

Oh, that’s hilarious! :laughing:

Redwolf

Redwolf wrote:

“If you’re using Windows, hold down the alt key and type 225 on your number pad to get á.”

I tried that but only got a squirrelly looking 3 :confused:

Plus, I have not yet figured out how to put someones quote in its own little framey thing. :frowning:

I’ve been murdering the Irish language for almost year now on my radio show. Can anyone suggest a guide to pronunciation for Gaelic that will stop this.

Thanks!

P

Don’t say anything. You won’t make any mistakes.

IThey will take it well if they know anything about it. There are different streams of Celtic languages called Brythonic and Goidelic. Scots, Irish and Manx languages are called Goidelic. Welsh, Cornish and Breton are called Brythonic. All are related.

djm

Y’mean like that? I just hit the “quote” button at the top of your post and deleted what I didn’t want, but don’t delete the “quote-unquote” brackets!

To put anything else in a quote, just type

at the beginning of the bit you want to quote and the same at the end but with a / in front of the word “quote” in your brackets. It comes out like this:

The rain in Spain falls mainly down the drain.

It’s even simpler just to hit the “Quote” button in the top row above the typing box, at the beginning and again at the end of your quoted passage, but sometimes the darn brackets don’t appear where you want them to. :frowning: