Two whole weeks? What’s the world coming to?
Google buys new satellite data every few years
maybe. Streetview is not from a satellite, they
drove a car equipped with 360 degree cameras
on every street that has streetview data. As
you can imagine, they don’t do that often. My
house is years out of date.
No, it’s not particularly relevant that they were women. It’s just that they were. And I know the images aren’t totally current, but they do certainly show a property’s weaknesses. OK, so some would say they show them to me too, but I don’t want to have to spend money that I could be spending on flutes on extra security for my home just 'cos Google has made it necessary.
Back to the OP, another thought: do I now have to always behave (and play music, I guess) as if I was on camera, on YouTube, just in case I will be? If so, when do I get to relax in the pub with my mates? Oh yeah: never.
I’ve always been taught that it’s a good idea,
when in public, to act in a manner that wouldn’t
embarrass you if your mother saw a recording of
it. This was way before youtube. Kinda like the
“clean underpants” rule.
I think the same could be said of sessions. If
you’d be embarrassed for random strangers to
hear your playing on youtube, why would you
subject them to it in a pub?
Amen, my good man, amen. Very well spoken for a bushranger some 150 years dead.
ah, but does the squeaky wheel get investigated first?
I’m not talking about misbehaving. I do think, however, that I have the right to play complete and utter sh*te from time to time when in the company of consenting musicians. Or at least not be under pressure to ‘perform’ instead of just have a bit of fun playing some tunes.
… and my death was greatly exaggerated.
Yes, well put. I think that’s the main issue. ‘Invasion of privacy’ is not the best way of meaning that. I think it may be what Hans meant by Big Brother and related to my bit about preserving what should be ephemeral. (Queue the clapping hands from denny ?)
what?
I nodded of while googling windmills for Ben 
I began teaching myself to play flute in the early 70s while on an aircraft carrier off the coast of Viet Nam. What is this privacy thing you speak of?
I think it signifies an erosion of the private person, of the person itself, of my personal right not to be made a spectacle for anyone to watch. And this erosion happens as a consequence of growing individualism, the attitude that one can do as one wants, without regard of personal rights of others.
People used to ask if it was okay to a take a picture, now they just do it, or film, and then broadcast their exploits, as quite normal behaviour. I meant that with my remark about “world wide Big Brother”, in a sense that life is made into a universal TV show, a substitute, not so much in Orwell’s 1984 sense.
More like a society of little brothers, all too eager to be FB-“Liked”, to find approval and score points. But then this is the ideal consumer society, and a person in it has no meaning apart from demographic classification for marketing, and as part of market segments.
I should have nipped this in the bud earlier but I was busy with family matters.
First nip:-
a session in a pub is not public like - in the street.
the musicians and the video voyeur and all others are first and foremost
GUESTS.
get it?
Sure, but this cuts both ways. If the host
doesn’t want to curtail his guest’s videoing
ways, then what can the sessioner do if he
wanted to remain a good guest?
get it yerself, dear…Devil’s advocate
everybody wants ta be a paparazzi
Hey, have you found any more windmills for me yet, Denny? I seem to be chasing the same one …
Is this something where different backgrounds and experiences have a big effect on how we feel ? It wouldn’t cause me much distress if a video of me doing something that I chose to do in public appeared on youtube, but in the circumstances under discussion I would regard the person doing is as very ill-mannered. However, although I am now relaxed at a personal level with the people I play tunes with (very much as the newbie) I feel slightly self-conscious when someone I know from elsewhere comes into the pub.
Odd, maybe, but there it is, something to do with ‘communal private spaces’ I think - serindipitous overlap is fine, one group watching the other sometimes slightly awkward. So I agree with Hans about Facebook. I am a member of several groups (one the folk I do things with on Tuesday evening, one on Wednesady evening etc) but I don’t see why my list of friends should be a link between them so it is almost empty. Do I come over as grumpy ? Maybe - tough.
I grew up in a small town where people lived and worked closer together than almost everybody would have wanted. Recreational activities with people from a wider area were part of peoples ‘personal spaces’. Those communities don’t really exist any more in the UK and people used to the anonymity of the city may feel differently about their social networks.
Has it?
I’m not sure about that.
If so, it has moved backwards.
And who moved it?
Time is a lame excuse.
There’s too many rats in the maze,
society is breaking down.
Starting to farm was a big shift,
industrialization was an other.
Times are different.
You don’t think you’re being just a tad harsh, Denny? I mean, out of character, I know …
What you’re saying amounts to “'twas ever thus”. But 'twasn’t. Permanently recording people’s ordinary actions and broadcasting them, not only to the wide world, but perhaps more importantly to LOTS OF PEOPLE I KNOW, has only been possible recently.
And I speak as a “'twas ever thus” kind of guy.
I said what? 
I thought I said that it was changing 