There was a Rudall listed on eBay…quickly delisted…
but there’s not photo or info left either.
Can anyone help? did you get any of the details I can catalogue?
Thanks!
it was Ebay # 360145668771
apparently also # 120403849268
dm
Hi David
Here are the ones I can find.
Rudal Carte 1867 patent flute
Rudall Rose Carte & Co flute Circa 1850 this is a boehm style silver flute.
RUDALL CARTE SILVER & EBONITE FLUTE RADCLIFFS MODEL 353
There are some band flutes on ebay as well.
David
PS
There are some nice non rudall flutes on ebay at the moment.
6 Keyed Boxwood Flute by Potter London 1785-90
David, they were scammer listings on 2 different hijacked accounts. I had them removed.
Kevin Krell
I think I saw it. If it’s the one I saw it was listed twice with two different finnishing times. I guessed it was a crook.The buy now price was too low, and a few other things pointed to a con,eg it was only a twelve hour listing. The feed back rating was good though, they must be getting very clever with their tricks. Is it just you user ID and password they need to use your account and how easy can they steal that?
I definitely saw those two listings and the $13 dollar starting bid and $1300 buy-it-now price, and the different end times. Think they had gotten one bid on one of the autcions as well. Thanks for reporting it. 
I came immediately here to see if there was any chatter about it, but I guess you had already had it removed by the time I checked back for it on ebay.
ah, good ole Kevin!
I wondered if that was the case, as it typically is.
Did you get a number off the flutes? Was it one I already had?
feel free to PM it if you’d rather. Just want to keep track.
A new one from South Africa has appeared. Lovely listing. In the man’s family since the day it was manufactured.
Thanks again, Kevin.
When it shows up again, I’ll download a photo.
OK, so what happened with this one? Looks as though it may have been genuine (David, Kevin???) but back-door snaffled? No explanation given for the early finish, though. (It had only been up a couple of days on a 6-day listing, I think…) I saw that happen to another one fairly recently (vendor said#?8859, but pictures showed #6855 pretty clearly, in mid February), though at least that time the vendor marked the early sale as such, saying it had been sold at the shown bid price (£175 !!!) to a named purchaser (a dealer, I believe… so who knows how truthful they were being?).
David, was this one you already had catalogued? Did you spot the Feb one?
Here’s my record of the eBay listing:
OLD RUDALL CARTE & CO LONDON FLUTE, 66.5cm
Item number: 350192445257
Ended: 23 Apr, 200908:04:38 BST - no bids- ended early without explanation - withdrawn/snaffled?!
Bid history: 0 Bids
Starting bid: £100.00
Item condition: Used
Seller info: cjustinboots ( 681 ) 100% Positive feedback
Item location: South England, United Kingdom
Seller’s description:
OLD RUDALL CARTE & CO LONDON FLUTE, 66.5cm, in four sections and stamped several times RUDALL CARTE & CO LONDON below a crown, I can’t tell you much about it as it was an inheritance, it appears to be in good condition apart from a fine crack that is about 13cms long in the mouthpiece section but then this section is metal lined. Please feel free to ask further questions.
Question & Answer Answered On
Q: There should be a serial number stamped under the main maker’s mark, just beneath that crown and the name/address of the firm. Can you tell me that number, please? 20-Apr-09
A: Hello. Thank you I missed this in the listing. The address is stamped “20 Charing Cross London 6604”.
that one, Jem, was my question regarding serial number.
not sure where it went, though, either.
hmmmmm
someone is sniping out there! 
I thought it might well have been your query.
Not so much sniping as someone contacting vendors and persuading them they’re better off ducking out of seeing through the auction! As I said, the purchaser of #6855 was shown on the early-ended listing in February and I recognised the name… Bad eBay form, to say the least! I queried the situation through eBay and got a response from the vendor - obtuse/disingenuous to say the least, no kind of an answer - although at least I got one!
This latest one was under the new eBay “private listings” rules, so no bidder info is available, even the winner in a completed auction, let alone in this situation. I wondered if the unexplained early finish might have been due to a hoax being notified like the ones that initiated this thread, but it would just have vanished all together if that was so, wouldn’t it? So it looks more like someone made the vendor an offer s/he thought couldn’t be ignored, but hadn’t the decency to give even an outline explanation on eBay. (Don’t get me wrong here, I think eBay vendors are quite entitled to withdraw an item, but should give some kind of reason for doing so.)
First, let me state that I’m not an eBay participant, not at all. Therefore, you participants could have eBay all to yourselves, minus me, please.
However, I’m at least topically aware that there could be a wide variety of eBay buying and selling tactics, or so it appears.
And, moreover, apparently more than a few of such tactics could be no less than scurrilous, if not downright illegal.
So, and simply for the education of those of us who don’t participate, could a new thread be arranged to help explain some of these tactics, please?
For instance, what is sniping? What could constitute “bad” eBay form? And, what could “private listings” be?
Etc., etc., etc…
TIA
Cork, without meaning to seem ungracious, I think you would find pre-existing and adequate answers to such queries by exploring eBay’s own website (you don’t have to join) which has ample explanations in its tutorial/policy pages, Help areas and Community stuff. Part of the original ethos of eBay is a sense of community fairness in dealings (e.g. Kevin’s notification to eBay of frauds he has spotted - something I’ve done myself too…) - but of course despite whatever safeguards can be set up, there will always be folk who simply ignore “best practice” (that’s the “bad form” bit, as the cases above exemplify) and the downright dishonest, unscrupulous and even criminal who seek to exploit loopholes or to create them and to subvert the system fraudulently. As in any commercial field, one needs to have one’s wits about one!
Sniping is explained on the Auctionsniper website, one of various providers of such services. Sniping is a perfectly legitimate auction bidding tool/strategy available to all, not at all underhand.
Starting to try to write such a thread as you suggest would be rather pointlessly duplicative of available material, IMO.
ah, but yer post count would go through the roof!
'course ya’d have to give up yer day job
an’ any hobbies
could ya afford enough flame repellent?
OK, thank you!
I’ve known a few devout eBay participants, and it generally seems that they’re wise to a plethora of such tactics, legal and otherwise, apparently.
So, I was just curious.
the only thing conceivably illegal is listing something you don’t own (or even have access to). that’s fraud.
past that…nothing illegal about listing an item and delisting it for whatever reason. it’s yours so your choice what to do
David, that scamming Rudall (and other music listings) is back on eBay (although I have reported them. You might want to see if you can grab the photos and compare to known previous sales.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270444605996
Folks, *** DO NOT BID - SCAMMER. ***
Don’t believe me? Check their other listings (same as on previous hijacked accounts). Also, this account was opened today, auctions are short duration (so they can get your money quick), and they want you to contact them outside eBay via email to bid.
Kevin Krell
fortunatly “This listing (270444605996) has been removed”
I’ve reported the item too this mornig…
thanks, kevin
this one seems to pop up every so often.
now you know why I don’t have the catalogue up. I’ve been watermarking all the photos because these characters are the type who grab, hold the photos for a time, then attempt to issue them on ebay as their own in order to scam us.