Rosetta Gets Stoned

I believe it has come up here before, where people have recommended teach-yourself language courses by Rosetta Stone. Also, there have been several threads in the past about people wanting to learn a bit of Irish. So today I received a link from a secret admirer telling me that Rosetta Stone released a course in Irish - Level 1 at the end of February of this year. It](http://www.amazon.com/Rosetta-Stone-v3-Irish-Level/dp/B00153WRSO/ref=br_lf_m_1000209711_1_1_ttl?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&s=software&pf_rd_p=374314201&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_i=1000209711&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0P64K0VYE1GFTFNY8QEH%22%3EIt) is available now from Amazon.

I am just passing this on in case someone here might be interested.

djm

I have Rosetta Stone Latin American Spanish. I’ve seen others. We find them boring. I do better with other methods.

This has, of course, been big news at IGTF. Rosetta Stone was playing this very close to the vest…in fact, when I emailed them a few months back asking about the rumor of an Irish release, I was told by their representative that no Irish version was planned…then, a few weeks later, sure enough…one came out! Unfortunately, a few people who have purchased it have already found some mistakes in it. Probably bound to happen with a first release, but still…

I haven’t used Rosetta Stone, so I can’t comment on it specifically (I know a lot of people swear by it), but if people are interested in learning Irish and don’t want to commit several hundred dollars up front, there are lots of good resources out there for $60 or less:

http://www.learnirishgaelic.com/productcomparison/

Redwolf

Ooo! Rosetta Stone Irish! I’m psyched!!

We’re using Rosetta Stone Portuguese right now and enjoying it a lot. You do have to be creative with it though. We’re in level one and so far it’s all sentences in the present tense. “The boy is jumping.” “The kids are standing on the table.” “The elephant is walking.” “The airplane is flying.”
So after each lesson we make up our own sentences. “The airplane is walking.” “The kids are standing on the table and the table is flying.” “The elephant is jumping on the boy.”

15 yrs ago I was learning Portuguese for the first time. It was an ideal learning environment and in 4 years I became fairly fluent. I had–

  • several college classes
  • tutoring from Brazilians
  • immersion experience :astonished:
  • a series of 36 tapes from Audio-Forum
  • “mix tapes” of music from Brazilian friends

At the end of 4 yrs I was able to understand and participate in conversations, even make some dumb jokes!

The Audio-forum tapes were brutally boring, but they gave practice in saying a near-infinite number of variations on basic stock sentences. That’s what gave the fluency.
“My uncle’s book is on the table” [glasses]
“My uncle’s glasses are on the table” [alarm clock]
“My uncle’s alarm clock is on the table” etc.

Hanging out with Brazilian friends gave the visual aspect of learning. “What’s this?” “That’s a lefthanded smokeshifter”

They also taught me the joy of the language-- slang and puns and lyrics to songs.

“Immersion” gave me familiarity with that sensation of sheer panic when someone spouts off an impassioned monologue (you only understand half the words) and then looks at you expectantly, waiting for your reply. You’re on the spot! OK, now…think on your feet…try to say something intelligent!

Rosetta Stone can’t possibly cover all those bases, but it does a fair job with several.

You are constantly looking at pictures. For the “my uncle’s book is on the table” type drill, you would see pictures of situations featuring the book, the table, the alarm clock, the glasses. In this way the sound and the image are linked in your brain, without you needing to do a translation step in between.

They also do a bit of “immersion”. Ex. in the middle of the uncle’s book on the table exercise, you would see an unfamiliar object on the table, and hear a new sentence. Then you have to think on your feet using this new information even though you’re not sure what it all means yet. Finally after a few more pictures you realize “Ah! they’re talking about a lefthanded smokeshifter”

I can only imagine what the “immersion” type exercises are like for Rosetta Stone Irish.

On the basis that “Irish language” could in the future be more search friendly than how stoned Rosetta might be, I kicked off a [u]new thread[/u].

[u]Omniglot[/u], BTW, generally is an interesting foreign language resource, and often includes some useful links.

Hahahaha! Isn’t that the national sport? If someone does anything, you’re guarranteed that five other men will stand around telling each other it’s a sack of sh!te and they could do better stinking drunk with one eye poked out. If they cared to, that is. But they don’t. Still, they know sh!te when they see it, an’ that’s SH!TE.

Well, when a learning method teaches mistakes, it can set a learner back a great deal. Much better to learn good habits up front than to have to break them once they’re established.

The problem is, there are well-established learning methods out there that are quite a bit cheaper than Rosetta Stone (which is a definite newcomer on the Irish scene). It’s going to have to get the kinks ironed out before it’s worth what they’re asking for it.

Redwolf

Pssst, Redwolf, first try http://www.gaeltalk.net/ and, provided you could pony up the money, try http://www.leargas.ie/education/lingua/gaeltalk.html .

:wink:

B’fhearr liom Gaeilge na hUladh, a chara. Is Gaeilge na Mumhan é “Gaeltalk.” Ach is cuma…beidh mé i nGleann Cholm Cille faoi Iúil. :smiley:

Redwolf

Oops…I didn’t realize until I read the other thread that you don’t speak Irish (I assumed you did, from the reference to Gaeltalk). I said “I prefer Ulster Irish, friend. “Gaeltalk” is Munster Irish. But no matter…I’ll be in Gleann Cholm Cille (Co. Donegal) in July.”

Redwolf

Thanks, Redwolf, I enjoyed your posts, and yours, too, bepoq!

Oh, maybe even I eventually could learn the Irish language(s), but no doubt I’ll need help, lots of help.

And, of your trip to Ireland, my best wishes to you, and to yours.

:slight_smile: