Review: New Feadog Mk III vs. Old Mk I, with a bit of Sindt

For the upcoming St. Patrick’s day a drunken Leprechaun sent me a huge green box full of hundreds of brand new Mark III Feadog whistles. :slight_smile: Well, actually, it wasn’t a Leprechaun, it was Steve Power of Shana Quay, and it was just a thin red tube, and it was only two whistles, and I don’t think he was drunk.

But here they are: two Feadog Mk IIIs, in D and in C (actually I don’t know whether the C is a Mk III). Since these babies are fairly new I thought I’d do a little review. And since I am the proud owner of an old Mk I D Feadog, I thought I’d do a comparison.

First off, they are fine-looking whistles. I got the ones with a nickel shaft and black mouthpieces and holding them I feel a lot more stylish then I would holding one of those vomit-green Clares. Hey, with this Feadog D, I wouldn’t think twice about inviting Andrea Corr over to blow my whistle and for some cheese-cake. That reminds me: The new Mk III Ds are very skinny. The mouthpiece is slim, with smooth lines. There is no ugly hump, like there was on the Mk II, and the entire ramp is flat. The bump at the end of the ramp, that was so characteristic of the Mk I has disappeared. The Mk III high-D mouthpiece is even slimmer than the Mk I was.

Interestingly, the mouthpiece for the C whistle has a bump, or a hump right behind the end of the blade. That makes me think that they did not change the C-mouthpiece. In profile it looks very similar to the Walton C mouthpiece, at least on top (lines are rounder, smoother, though).

I know everyone is bored hearing about he shape of the mouthpiece already, but that was the big problem with the Mk IIs. On those, the blade was set outside the line of the tube, on the Mk III it is brought back down, in line with the tube.

The mouthpieces are not glued on, so “tuning” them a bit is easy and no hot water or camomile tea is required. Sliding the mouthpiece out a bit, about a mm (1/16") or so brought an immediate improvement in playability both on the D and C, more noticeable on the D.

But before I talk about how they play, one more observation: If you read about the improved O’Briain whistles on Steve’s webpage ( http://www.shanaquay.com ), it says that they used to take Feadog shafts and adjust the whole sizes a bit to improve them and that after Feadog adopted their new hole pattern, they are now just using factory Feadog shafts. So I thought if I’d hold the old Mk I (green and brass) Feadog D next the new Mk III D, I’d see a difference in the shafts. But I couldn’t see any difference. It’s either not there, or it’s really subtle. :confused: (The shafts of the Walton C and the Feadog C are noticeably different.) Oh, and the holes on the Feadog D are a bit sharp.

So here is the Feadog D Mk I vs Mk III comparison, with a bit of Sindt thrown in:

Tone:
The tone on the Mk I is a bit softer and purer. The Mk III has a little more chiff and breath and is also stronger. On the Mk III D I notice a bit of an edge that I don’t like so much and there is a hint of a buzz on the bottom notes. So I think I will tweak the Mk III a bit by dulling the edge of the blade with fine sandpaper. However, the bell note is stronger on the Mk III, which is nice. Generally, the tone of the two is pretty similar: not as rough as a Generation, but not as pure as a Sindt.

Octave Test and Screech Test
The octave test just means playing up from the D to the B, jumping back and forth between the octaves. This is not really the strength of the Feadogs. My breath control isn’t the greatest, but you get not-so-pretty sounds easily trying this. Both whistles offer a good amount of resistance. They are on the quiet side and therefore a bit sensitive to breath pressure. The Mk III tends toward being tinny. Maybe a nickle-vs-brass thing, but the tone on the Mk III did not blow me away in that respect.

The Screech test: Play a G or an A and then slowly increase breath pressure, trying to make the tone hang between the octaves and screech. I can do it on the Mk I, but it is much easier to produce this blood-curling sound on the Mk III. Again, a touch of the sandpaper may fix this. Interestingly, on the Sindt the Screech test is very different: It is nearly impossible to produce that in-between sound. You flick up cleanly to the upper octave before you can screech.

The Mercy-Mercy Test
The test involves playing the B-part of Si Bheag Si Mor really slowly in the presence of loved ones. The question is: How long before they beg for mercy? Here I think the Mk III has the edge: The upper octave is sweet and pure and clean. The tuning on the high B is better than it is on the Mk I, although I don’t know why that is, with the shafts identical. Also, the Mk III plays more easily into the third octave (now hear them beg for mercy!). The high-high e and f# are easier to hit than they are on the Sindt.

Tuning
Struck me as very good, although I didn’t use a tuner to check. The bell note is a bit sharp, unless you pull out the mouthpiece, and the high b is a bit sharp on both (better on the Mk III), but that’s to be expected. The third (F#) is also a bit off, but that is also normal for cheapos.

Playability
Both Mk I and Mk III are responsive, smooth players. No trouble with ornaments or quick fingerings. They play pleasantly. The Mk III is a bit more sensitive which makes a difference if you play it where it’s lound and you don’t hear yourself so well. Again, I think a bit of tweaking may tame it. (Also, the Mk I was my first whistle and I have played it so much that this may be a hard comparison for me to make.)

On balance, I am very happy with the Mk III. It is a return to the glory of the Mk I. I will report back when I have dulled the blade a bit. I am also thinking of filling the cavity under the winday to see what that does. I can heartily recommend the Mk III, and don’t let anyone sell you one of the ugly Mk II things anymore.

P.S.: I am selling a Walton C, cheap. :wink:

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/bloomfield


[ This Message was edited by: bloomfield on 2002-03-22 13:36 ]

Does anyone have pics of the MkI, II, and II Feadogs on a website somewhere? I’m not sure which one I have (bought it a few years ago) but it sounds like a branch scraping against a corrugated iron fence on a windy day.

On 2002-03-15 07:01, Mastersound wrote:
Does anyone have pics of the MkI, II, and II Feadogs on a website somewhere? I’m not sure which one I have (bought it a few years ago) but it sounds like a branch scraping against a corrugated iron fence on a windy day.

Hi Master,

Although these are actually Oaks & Acorns they illustrate the difference beween MkII and MkIII quite well. I’ve never knowingly seen a Mk I alas.

Thanks should go to Cees for finding the picture last time around. The one on the left is like a MkII fipple, and on the right, less the ridge, is like the MkIII.

Martin


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[ This Message was edited by: DaleWisely on 2002-03-21 19:26 ]

Thanks Martin. Looks like I have the MkII.
All I can find in cheap D whistles here in Adelaide is Generation or Feadog. I’ll have a look at the Feadogs and see which fipple they have. Thanks again for the pic!

About the looks. The picture Martin posted is pretty close. But:

The Mk I and Mk II actually look really similar to look at. The Mk I has the same basic shape with the hump. The hump is a bit smaller on the Mk I, the bump at the end of the ramp is a bit smaller and I think the curve underneath is a bit different. I’ve seen them but I don’t have one of those Mk II nasties.

The Mk III looks mostly like the Oak above, but it does not have the little ridge. There is a little tiny step where the base of the ramp goes down into the part of the mouthpiece that the shaft fits in, but nothing sticking out.


/bloomfield



[ This Message was edited by: Bloomfield on 2002-03-22 13:39 ]

Thanks for the review (iT is great to have a topic about whistles).

I have a MKI that I got in Ireland in 1982 and it remains one of my favorite whistles. I have a bunch of MKII that I put Walton’s Little Black mouthpieces on (with good results). I look forward to trying the MKIII.

Joe

Joe,
do you have a way to get a pic of the Mk I and Mk II mouthpieces up? That would be great.

Brought this back because someone said they never saw a review of Mk IIIs.

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/bloomfield

[ This Message was edited by: Bloomfield on 2002-03-22 13:40 ]

Hello Folks,
I don’t know who came up with the “Mk I, Mk II, etc.” labels for Feadogs but it appears there are actually four different incarnations including the brand new one. Bloomfield showed me the two he had at the Harp last Saturday. His earlier model had a bump at the top of the ramp. Neither of these older models have that characteristic. The one on the left is an original Mc Cullough Pigott and the one on the right is post McCullough Pigott

So the McCullogh Pigott is Mk I but which is which for Mk II & III? When did the bump on the ramp appear??? Anybody have a clue?

Cheers,
David

EDIT: Picture later edited and corrected for posting on Feadog MkII and MkIII forensic pics thread.

[ This Message was edited by: Feadan on 2002-03-22 18:47 ]

I think the bump at the base of the ramp is a sign of a Mk II. BUT I have seen bump-on-ramp feadogs that looked slightly different. Maybe I wasn’t quite as sober as I ought to have been at the time. Mmmmmhh.

Actually Bloomfield, after doing some homework and reading old posts it looks like the whole Mk I, II, III thing is an invention of Keynote Music Sales who presently produce the brand Feadóg. Thus, I guess my McCullough Pigot model would not enter into any of these categories.

Cheers,
David

So are you telling me that my Mk I is not a Mk II but a Mk I after all?!? I’m so happy. (Gee, I’ll have to edit everying thing back again…) You know, Bill Ochs in NYC took, one look at it and said, you’re lucky, you have one of the originals… And I compared heads with a woman at the session and her Feadog looked slightly different, but did have a bump and a hump, like mine, but different, if you know what I mean.

Is there really no one out there who can give us the assured run down on Mk I & IIs? :smiley: For instance, when was the Mk II introduced?

On 2002-03-14 21:31, Bloomfield wrote:
Well, actually, it wasn’t a Leprechaun, it was Steve Power of Shana Quay.. and I don’t think he was drunk.

Can you prove that I wasn’t drunk?

:wink: Steve