Judging from that video, I think we have about the same opinion of what is reedy.
Evidently, I’m not looking for a whistle that can substitute a reedy flute tone, but something that is reedy from a whistle-perspective.
I am not entirely sure what you mean by reedy - but certain characteristics of that video clip reminded me of the tone of my Bleazey. Might be worth listening to my version of Niel Gows lamment below.
I also like the term “reedy”, though it’s hard to pin down exactly what it means. To me, I think it’s a kind of complexity where some upper partials seem particularly prominent compared to the fundamental. Plus some breathiness.
The whistle of mine I’ve always described as reedy is my SZBE (high) D.
Here we go again. Using a term that no one can really describe, but everyone seems to have an idea about what it should mean.
Well, I am very guilty of it too. I was thinking about this the other day and decided that a good way for a group like ours to compare a specific whistle characteristic might be to use a spectrum diagram like the one below. (The posting software is very unkind to ASCII art, but you get the idea.)
The advantage is that even if I don’t know what a “reedy” whistle is, I may be able to figure it out (more or less) by comparing the sounds of whistles I know and their relative position on the diagram. And I have some idea where the whistles I don’t know fit in. People can (and will) quibble about the exact location, but most people will agree on the extremes. So if I think a Susato is a “reedy” whistle, yet see most are ranking it on the low end of the scale, I know I should reconsider my terminology.
I bet someone has suggested this before, but I don’t remember the discussion or the outcome.
I for one would find such a scale immensely useful if it included more whistles of which I have experience. (Overton, Bleazey, Dixon). Also some good representative clips (or YouTube examples) at different parts of the scale.
Likewise scales for such hard-to-communicate-verbally-to-me qualities such as ‘chiff’.
Yep. These “sound-qualities” chats are always interesting. And stimulate the brain!
For me, “reedy” means less like an accordion or organ…and more toward the sound of primitive “reed” instruments. Whistles and flutes with a breathy, gentle, complex sound.
With this noted, among my little herd, the most “reedy” players would be the Carbony Low D, and Carbony Low F.
They’re made of very modern materials and techniques, yet sound “ancient” to my ear.
My definition of reedy would also be a more primative and natural sound with the organic complexity of ancient instruments.
We set out in search of low whistle with a strong eastern/native feel. I love the Ney but can only manage to get a few solid notes out of it. So we started looking at low whistles. That led to the Susato Low D we have that was all we could find at a reasonable price in Tokyo. It sounds wonderfully breathy but does not have that ancient reedy feel. And it is very unstable in the upper end.
Thanks to a lot of great people here I had a long chat with Colin Goldie and am now waiting for our Low D that he is making. From our chat I feel very confident that it will be the wonderful reedy balance we are looking for. Very much like the sound of the Overton in the Istanbul video above.
If what I have heard of the Goldie whistles is representative, he can adjust to create just the degree of sound you are looking for. I will post our results when we have the whistle in hand. But looks very promising to fit our Silk Road sound.
I’d like to take the opportunity to focus my question on whistles between alto G and mezzo Bb.
Because of this, I am also interested in whistles that may have less reedyness than the extremes, in case there aren’t many that qualify for my initial preferences.
So, shoot! (Please )
The Copeland low G and Abell high A have been suggested.
Copeland’s seem rare and expensive, and Abell was much too expensive. My price range is about 125$ (give or take some).
Would be nice if there were a set of whistles from various makers that could be sent around and some sort of Chiff and Fipple matrix created that would scale “fluteyness”, “reediness”, “chiffy”, “bright”, “woody” and all those other psycoacoustic terms among the populous.
i have a mack hoover B non tunable pvc which defined reediness for me.
it is the first and only whistle that i ever played that i felt was reedy.
i wasn’t looking for reedy when it found me, but am very glad it did
tansy